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POLITICS FORUM GONE FOR NOW

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MtMan
Wed Sep 16 2009, 02:20PM

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I am D-O-N-E with this subject. I have been threatened to be banned if I "keep it up" by "stirring the pot".

One last comment: Yes, Virginia, sad, but there are different rules for moderators vs. members.....

Shut Up and Fish!
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bills grandson
Wed Sep 16 2009, 02:28PM

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I don't call it butting heads I call it different opinions. And we agree on much more then we ever fight over.
I have always found our talks to be interesting and stimulating. I have always tried to be a friend to you and only wish you the very best.

I would never want you hiding in a hole. just to see how you come across at times. I did not put those words in your mouth you typed them. It is clear they were directed mainly at me as I was the only one here and you refered to MtMan's post as a "him" that could only be me at the time.

I have said tons of times that you guys have a thankless job.
And I don't try to add to your troubles.

It is almost impossible for you guys to do your job and yet have the fun that we have at being able to state our opinions without the reservations you have imposed by your position

One thing you guys have to understand is that yes you guys hold the power of the switch. But the members are what keeps the site going. I like to think that I have contributed (as has everyone else) to the things that make the site interesting.

we all hope to make the site better

moderators are becoming heavy handed and public when they could do there job better in PM's where it dosn't have to end in a fistfight.
Like I said it is a frustrating job for you

I have seen far to many really great members abandon the site mostly for personality reasons with staff. Each of these is a failure to everyone and the site is hurt by it.
I have an idea that removing the political area was the ultimate political statement.

Like I said I suggest you lock this thread and put it behind all of us and see what the future brings

Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.


Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world.

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Geezer
Wed Sep 16 2009, 02:56PM

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There are different rules for moderators....yea they get all the PM's complaining about the lack of civility that has been shown on here lately. They are the "Police" on the site, and as such deserve our respect. No one likes getting a "ticket", even when they deserve it! The moderators have all taken a huge amount of undeserved flack and downright nastiness from a few of the members when they have just been "doing their jobs". Frankly, I can't find fault in anything they have said after seeing some of what has been flung their direction. I doubt any of the ones causing the problems could have handled it better.

The concept of eliminating the political thread was to put some water on the fire in an area that was causing the most anger, hurt feelings, name calling and just plain evilness. We do not even know all of the things that were happening behind the scenes. This was spreading into the other areas of the site, as well as making a large number of the members unhappy and downright afraid to say anything here. I for one am happy the moderators are doing their job, and I applaud them for it!
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SrRaceFan
Wed Sep 16 2009, 03:22PM
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Ditto to what Geezer said!
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B.B.L.
Wed Sep 16 2009, 05:57PM

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Wed Sep 16 2009, 08:15AM

Delete Hey Jerry. As you know we removed the Politics Forum due to the fact that every topic turned into anger and bloodshed. This is counterproductive to the charter of this site. PLEASE stop starting political threads on this site as they will only be deleted. We want everyone to enjoy it here without a political agenda. There is a site coming online soon that will address the needs of the political people.

Thank you very much!
-Craig


I do not have a political agenda but like to have discussion on the news topics that dominates my life and our future. Some of the people do change insults and some also give information on things. The Mods at times are the worse with insults but I assume they are doing it for free.

I noticed the political thread was missing and now I know why.

The post I put up was news from Yahoo news section and an article from the Herald and to me a total waste of time and money.

So what will be in the news section? Not current topics that are dominating national news.

And what is political? Are we talking about National, State or the local bottom feeders OPPS?

How about the school district. They could have had taking a 2 percent cut and all the teachers would have all been back this year but instead we now have overcrowding.

The DWP is getting ready to raise its rates trying to become the number one priced Water Company in the state.

The city is paying a hell of a lot of money for the clown at the top.

The city bases the employ pay to the same as other large cities like Los Angles

The city is getting ready to build a new low cost rent apartments with our tax dollars. It is in direct competition with the local builders, material suppliers, and home owners and they are sending your tax dollars off the mountain only to build one more Big Bear Lake monument to place a plaque for the city council.

The city wants to put in a ramp for non-motor boats and is trying to shut down the people that are launching kayaks.

How about how our forest is managed. Most of us whom have been here for years, decades are up set on the condition

Are these all political or just some?



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Craig (KJ6BCM)
Wed Sep 16 2009, 06:06PM

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I thought my initial post in this thread was pretty easy to understand, but I guess I must elaborate.

First of all, I want to thank the moderators as they have to take a lot of abuse, deal with it, all without a paycheck. Also, please respect the moderators. They do their best!

Prior to the removal of the Politics Forum (PF), a continuous stream of complaints were received from a large number of SCM members. It was not only due to the content of the PF, but do to the fact the negativity and hate was spreading to other forums which used to be a place for positive conversation. I decided it was best to remove the political forum and also take a hard line on political subjects in other forums due to the negative nature that has been scaring away a lot of "regular" members. The few people that have to continually be negative and start conflict were detracting from the purpose of this site. This is not SocalPolitics.com, this is Socalmountains.com.

Since the removal of the PF and a new policy on political topics, I have received 3 complaints, and dozens and dozens of thank yous. Back to my original concept of "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few". There are many other sites (some up here in the mountains) that have active political forums, so I suggest for those that cannot interact in any way except political take your discussions there. I would also ask those that have to be continually negative in their posts go somewhere else. I know that sounds harsh, but in the scheme of things, losing a little to save a lot is not of concern to me.

Lets keep SCM a positive, informative, and FUN place to be!
Thank you,
Craig

P.S. I am locking this thread as there is nothing more to discuss here.

!! WE NEED SNOW !!
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lunchlady
Jan 19 : 07:25pm
I think 2010 was the last time they called more than one day at a time, we were out 5 successive days then!

lunchlady
Jan 19 : 07:23pm
Haven't heard as yet if there is school tomorrow, I expect them to call it but may not know til 5 am, they have a process in deciding, they try to drive the bus routes at 3 am to determine if it is safe and also whether they are able to plow at each school, if I had to guess, I would say and hope @No School@

bills grandson
Jan 19 : 07:20pm
I know it doesn't have equal coverage or density but do you know if there is a rule of thumb for the valley such as 0ne foot of snow raises the lake x amount of inch's there of course tons of variables but it would be nice to make a guesstimate

mimoo
Jan 19 : 07:06pm
Hi everyone, how is it up the hill right now?? Snowing or ??. I'm coming up thru Lucerne shortly.
Yes, I am one of the crazy people out on the roads. 😲😨
Thanks, I appreciate any info.

Benny (N6BWX)
Jan 19 : 06:57pm
Let's hope so Van! We're going to need a few more series like this to get there, but it's certainly possible!

Van
Jan 19 : 06:56pm
Maybe this is shaping up to be like January 2005. The lake went from 17' down to almost full at the end of that winter.

Craig (KJ6BCM)
Jan 19 : 06:39pm
LunchLady, what is the status of the Big Bear Valley Schools for Tomorrow??? Thanks for all of your info here, we all appreciate it!!!

Benny (N6BWX)
Jan 19 : 06:38pm
Absolutely BG, could certainly be some flooding & weight problems through Monday. And the kind of precip that could bring the lake up another foot...

Craig (KJ6BCM)
Jan 19 : 06:37pm
@Owl, you just might have a chance at that Snow Pool, however, so much Winter is left..... QPFs and other data from the NWS indicate tomorrow could be a wet and snowy day. Hope everyone is having a safe day.

bills grandson
Jan 19 : 06:02pm
Those conditions make dramatic lake level increases and danger for snow laden roofs. especially large buildings with flat roofs. If you have one make sure there are no dams.

Does anyone have any information this morning at the bottom of cactus flats involving the cement truck? Sounded scary

LA Owl
Jan 19 : 05:56pm
5312' elevation

LA Owl
Jan 19 : 05:55pm
We turned to rain early today but this evening it is mixed sleet/snow. The runoff was high and melted the berm as I spread it around

Benny (N6BWX)
Jan 19 : 05:37pm
Imagine 2 feet of snow, then 2 inches of rain, it's going to be quite the mess. If it stayed snow, which is always still possible... well you know the math.

Benny (N6BWX)
Jan 19 : 05:36pm
Good question Reg, and I know you also have a good knowledge of things... It's looking more likely we'll see a changeover to rain on Sunday at lake level; optimistically the snow level will bump up to around 7,000 feet, but that usually means not much sticking below 8k.

Regulate
Jan 19 : 05:32pm
Ben, any idea on the Sunday storm if most of the moisture from the main front will be rain at lake level, before changing to snow missing a chance for significant snow accumulation (a foot or so) from this storm? Of course, all moisture is great of course for the lake!


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