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©ammy
Tue Apr 26 2011, 09:58PM Email Thread Print View


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Yesterday as R and I were taking Sirius for his first offroad adventure, I had the idea to start a thread on here to post current conditions of the various Forest Service dirt roads around the Big Bear area. Feel free to share any info y'all find as you drive/bike/hike along these roads including road condition, recently re-opened gates, closed gates, snow on the road, washed out sections of road, and anything else interesting and helpful.

We discovered yesterday that the gates on 3N08 - map: [Click Here] have re-opened for, as far as I know, the first time since the Butler 2 Fire! We checked the gates on both ends of 3N08 (basically located at A & B on the previous map) to confirm that they're both open and they are. But we did not drive the whole length of 3N08, we turned north on 3N89 (Greenlead Road) - map of the route we took: [Click Here] and found that the fence that was across 3N89 at 3N16 is now open as well! (The fence is at B on the previous map.) There is water flowing across 3N08 at Greenlead Creek, and there are a couple more small streams to cross but these pose no challenge as they're not too deep. We did use 4WD a couple of times in our Toyota Tundra as there are a couple of tricky sections that I didn't want to try in 2WD. You'll definitely want a high clearance vehicle for this route (3N08 to 3N89).
Here's a complete map of our trip: [Click Here] We drove along 3N14 to 3N08. 3N14 is a good road that can be driven in 2WD with no problem. After we took 3N08 to 3N89 we ended up on 3N16. This is another good road and we had no trouble navigating it in 2WD. When we got to 3N12, we took it up around the north side of Delamar Mountain back to 3N14. There is one patch of snow on 3N12, but we had no trouble crossing it in 2WD as there are ruts in the snow from other vehicles going through before us. I also took our Jeep Wrangler through there today in 2WD with no trouble. The snow will probably have melted off the road within a week.
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Debbie Doodah
Tue Apr 26 2011, 10:29PM


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I clicked on your first map and it gave me a subdivision off the 60 in Riverside. .

We went exploring a bit on Sunday but I am not sure of the road numbers. But we did pass Camp Whittle. That road was fine with a couple of spots with some mud - just enough to make my wheel wells caked with mud.
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Mtn.goat John
Tue Apr 26 2011, 10:40PM


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Deb, you were on 3N14. Don't need to know the road #'s unless there is a problem. Heck BGS never got lost as far as I know.

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Debbie Doodah
Tue Apr 26 2011, 10:46PM


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Mtn.goat John wrote ...

Deb, you were on 3N14. Don't need to know the road #'s unless there is a problem. Heck BGS never got lost as far as I know.


I don't think there was much chance of getting lost. All the forest roads are on the cars gps which I thought was really cool. Plus we didn't go very far. We aren't as big adventurers as you guys. Yet!
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bills grandson
Wed Apr 27 2011, 05:33AM

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nope never lost in the woods. Sometimes the place I was looking for might get lost.
I think the hardest thing was learning my way around upper moon ridge.
Cities forget about it. It is almost impossible to get around down here. No straight lines to take you anywhere. I just got a GPS which helps but I am already looking to upgrade. A couple of weeks of rebuilding my dash to get everything right. And now I want to rip it out and start over. New radio with all the bells and whistles you can think of. 300. at walmart. Every other one I have seen like it is 800.
I was thinking the other day that it doesn't seem like that long ago that cars had no seat belts, turn signals, or radio's. Heaters were a luxery, and almost no air conditioning. First cars I bought really didn't have a two foot square place needed for one.
Had to wait for a minute for the tubes to heat up.
Do you even have to learn hand signals anymore to drive a car? And would anyone know what you were doing? Probably get shot for throwing "gang signs".

I think Cammy has a great idea. I have always wanted to get people out to enjoy the beauty most don't even know is all around them. To bad there are so few animals to share it with anymore.

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©ammy
Wed Apr 27 2011, 10:28AM


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Debbie Doodah wrote ...

I clicked on your first map and it gave me a subdivision off the 60 in Riverside. .

Anyone else have this problem?
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Lumbe® Jill
Wed Apr 27 2011, 10:42AM

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©ammy wrote ...

Debbie Doodah wrote ...

I clicked on your first map and it gave me a subdivision off the 60 in Riverside. .

Anyone else have this problem?

Nope...looks like Holcomb Valley to me!

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bills grandson
Wed Apr 27 2011, 10:44AM

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Cammy I had no problem.
Make sure you write what condition the roads are in and what kind of vehicle you might need. So a street car can be taken on while others need 4WD. And some are not even begginer 4WD As well as any high lights or things to see along the way. I will try to add what things I know or have learned about each stretch also.

Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.


Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world.

"I solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same"

WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!
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©ammy
Wed Apr 27 2011, 10:54AM


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Yesterday's adventures included leaving Fawnskin on 3N14 to 3N12 to 3N16 to 3N32 up 3N10 to the east a little bit, turned around, back down 3N32 to 3N16 to 2N09 to Hwy 38. Here's an incomplete map, as 3N32 doesn't show up on Google Maps: [Click Here] 3N32 goes to the north from 3N16 at B on this map: [Click Here] but 3N32 is not Burnt Flat Road. That road doesn't actually exist as it's been fenced off some time ago.
Anyway, to the road conditions: we covered the portions of 3N14 & 3N12 in the first post. 3N16 between 3N12 & 3N32 - map: [Click Here] is in good shape - it was resurfaced with that gravel/sand mix a year or so ago, so passenger cars would have no trouble navigating this section. 3N32 is a road that a high clearance vehicle would be good to use as there are a lot of deep ruts in this road. I didn't need to use 4WD on this road at all, but the high clearance was helpful. There was a mud puddle about 1/4 mile in on the road that could be bypassed but that's no fun! There is also a small stream crossing on this road, but the water is shallow and no problem to cross. The north end of 3N32 is where it intersects 3N10. I went east on 3N10 for maybe a half mile before I decided it would be better to not get the Jeep stuck on the rocks so I turned around. I did use 4WD a couple of times on 3N10. After I turned around, I went back on 3N32 to 3N16 to 2N09. I took 2N09 back to Highway 38 - map: [Click Here]. This is another road that was resurfaced a year or so ago, and while it is a bumpy ride in some spots, I think it could be navigated with a passenger car as long as you go slow.

The gate on the north end of Van Dusen Canyon Road (3N09) is still closed - A on this map: [Click Here] so I assume the gate at the south end of this road is still closed as well - B on previous map. Also, the gate at 3N12 & 2N84 - A on this map: [Click Here] has been closed since the Butler 2 Fire and as of yesterday is still closed.

I'll check the gates on both ends of 2N93 today (Wildhorse Meadows Road) but I'd be really surprised if they're open as there's still a good amount of snow on the north side of Sugarloaf Mountain.
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©ammy
Wed Apr 27 2011, 10:56AM


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Here are some videos from yesterday. The first 2 videos are sped up about 5x. The last one is at real time speed.


3N12




3N16 from 3N12 to 3N32




3N32 Mud Puddle!

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lunchlady
Jan 19 : 07:25pm
I think 2010 was the last time they called more than one day at a time, we were out 5 successive days then!

lunchlady
Jan 19 : 07:23pm
Haven't heard as yet if there is school tomorrow, I expect them to call it but may not know til 5 am, they have a process in deciding, they try to drive the bus routes at 3 am to determine if it is safe and also whether they are able to plow at each school, if I had to guess, I would say and hope @No School@

bills grandson
Jan 19 : 07:20pm
I know it doesn't have equal coverage or density but do you know if there is a rule of thumb for the valley such as 0ne foot of snow raises the lake x amount of inch's there of course tons of variables but it would be nice to make a guesstimate

mimoo
Jan 19 : 07:06pm
Hi everyone, how is it up the hill right now?? Snowing or ??. I'm coming up thru Lucerne shortly.
Yes, I am one of the crazy people out on the roads. 😲😨
Thanks, I appreciate any info.

Benny (N6BWX)
Jan 19 : 06:57pm
Let's hope so Van! We're going to need a few more series like this to get there, but it's certainly possible!

Van
Jan 19 : 06:56pm
Maybe this is shaping up to be like January 2005. The lake went from 17' down to almost full at the end of that winter.

Craig (KJ6BCM)
Jan 19 : 06:39pm
LunchLady, what is the status of the Big Bear Valley Schools for Tomorrow??? Thanks for all of your info here, we all appreciate it!!!

Benny (N6BWX)
Jan 19 : 06:38pm
Absolutely BG, could certainly be some flooding & weight problems through Monday. And the kind of precip that could bring the lake up another foot...

Craig (KJ6BCM)
Jan 19 : 06:37pm
@Owl, you just might have a chance at that Snow Pool, however, so much Winter is left..... QPFs and other data from the NWS indicate tomorrow could be a wet and snowy day. Hope everyone is having a safe day.

bills grandson
Jan 19 : 06:02pm
Those conditions make dramatic lake level increases and danger for snow laden roofs. especially large buildings with flat roofs. If you have one make sure there are no dams.

Does anyone have any information this morning at the bottom of cactus flats involving the cement truck? Sounded scary

LA Owl
Jan 19 : 05:56pm
5312' elevation

LA Owl
Jan 19 : 05:55pm
We turned to rain early today but this evening it is mixed sleet/snow. The runoff was high and melted the berm as I spread it around

Benny (N6BWX)
Jan 19 : 05:37pm
Imagine 2 feet of snow, then 2 inches of rain, it's going to be quite the mess. If it stayed snow, which is always still possible... well you know the math.

Benny (N6BWX)
Jan 19 : 05:36pm
Good question Reg, and I know you also have a good knowledge of things... It's looking more likely we'll see a changeover to rain on Sunday at lake level; optimistically the snow level will bump up to around 7,000 feet, but that usually means not much sticking below 8k.

Regulate
Jan 19 : 05:32pm
Ben, any idea on the Sunday storm if most of the moisture from the main front will be rain at lake level, before changing to snow missing a chance for significant snow accumulation (a foot or so) from this storm? Of course, all moisture is great of course for the lake!


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