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©ammy
Mon May 07 2012, 09:29PM


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Conditions that one climatologist calls La Nada are forecast. Such years can coincide with extreme rain or extreme dryness.


By Rong-Gong Lin II, Los Angeles Times

May 6, 2012

La Niña, the demon diva of drought, has ended, but what comes next could be even more foreboding: La Nada.

La Nada, or "nothing" in Spanish, is climatologist Bill Patzert's nickname for when surface sea temperatures in the equatorial Pacific Ocean are about normal. That means ocean temperatures are not too warm, which would trigger an El Niño and would typically mean a rainy winter in Southern California. The sea also is not too cold, which produces a La Niña and usually means a dry season.

"I don't like La Nada," said Patzert, who works at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in La Cañada Flintridge. "Why is that? Because in La Niña or El Niño, you can actually make a forecast, because they provide some structure to the climate system for an entire winter — you can make a fairly decent long-range forecast….

"With La Nada, it's like teenagers without rules. It's unconstrained and unpredictable," Patzert said.

La Nada years can coincide with the most troublesome of weather.

In the winter of 2004-05, the borderline La Nada/weak El Niño produced the wettest winter since the end of the 19th century, dousing downtown Los Angeles with 37 inches of rain, far above the average of about 15 inches.

The rains that year claimed at least 17 lives in Southern California, including those of 10 people who died in the massive mudslide in the coastal Ventura County community of La Conchita.

Just two years later, another La Nada/wannabe-El Niño pattern emerged. That year ended up being the driest in the history of record-keeping in downtown Los Angeles, with a measly 3 inches of rain. The land was so parched that California poppies never emerged for their springtime bloom, acorns never grew on oak trees and cattle herds had to be sold off for lack of drinking water.

Patzert says he prefers El Niños because California typically needs water. Six out of every 10 years are dry years, he said.

"What everybody would really like to hear is, 'Get ready for a big El Niño,' because the results are somewhat predictable. But when we have a weak-to-zero signal, then we can expect almost anything," Patzert said.

At this point, Patzert said there's a 50-50 chance the situation will remain La Nada or will develop into a weak El Niño. Patzert said it's too late in the year for a monster El Niño to develop.

The declaration that La Niña had dissipated was made Thursday by the National Weather Service's Climate Prediction Center. The center forecasts neutral equatorial sea temperatures at least through September.

For the current meteorological year, which began July 1, downtown L.A. has been drier than normal, accumulating less than 9 inches of rain.


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©ammy
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campingmom
Sat Jul 28 2012, 09:51PM
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The weather channel mentioned a return to el nino this year. Any updates on its effects on us this year?
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cricket
Sun Jul 29 2012, 09:04AM

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I like the snowy weather, but I hope it is not too much this year, if that is the case.

Summer will be here soon!
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Benny (N6BWX)
Mon Jul 30 2012, 12:35PM


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What you want is here... [Click Here]

In short,El Nino is developing and we can expect near normal temperatures and above normal precipitation!

NOW ON TWITTER!
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Mtn.goat John
Mon Jul 30 2012, 01:01PM

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I’m sorry but I can’t just take an article seriously if it is written by a guy named Rong Gong.

nothing in life is free, it ain't about easy it's about tough


"We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible" Vince Lombardi

"Faith is not about everything turning out OK;
Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out."
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©ammy
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Benny (N6BWX) wrote ...

What you want is here... [Click Here]

In short,El Nino is developing and we can expect near normal temperatures and above normal precipitation!

Ooh! Complete with narration!
Is there a quiz at the end?
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Benny (N6BWX)
Mon Jul 30 2012, 03:23PM


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Mtn.goat John wrote ...

I’m sorry but I can’t just take an article seriously if it is written by a guy named Rong Gong.


His name's Alex Tardy, not sure where you ot that...?

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melmorial
Mon Jul 30 2012, 04:18PM

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Mtn.goat John wrote ...

I’m sorry but I can’t just take an article seriously if it is written by a guy named Rong Gong.


at least he isnt rong dong

i am multi lingual, i can speak English, sarcasm and smart arse!

there is always too much month left at the end of my money!
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Mtn.goat John
Mon Jul 30 2012, 04:22PM

If you didn't leave any blood, it wasn't a ride!
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Benny (N6BWX) wrote ...

Mtn.goat John wrote ...

I’m sorry but I can’t just take an article seriously if it is written by a guy named Rong Gong.


His name's Alex Tardy, not sure where you ot that...?

In the article Cammy posted.

I’m sorry my comprehension is poor..

nothing in life is free, it ain't about easy it's about tough


"We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible" Vince Lombardi

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Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out."
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The framer that had it in his hand was. Does that count?

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Was the hammer on a ladder?

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May 23 : 07:50pm
I can't make this stuff up. I'm not that creative.

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Oh ok. Cuz I was gonna have to ask you to tell THAT story!

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Oh no that would be to easy.

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Did this all occur on the same bike ride?

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