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bc
Fri Aug 09 2013, 02:00PM Email Thread Print View

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It's that time of year again.

Remember:

- The shower peak is the night of Aug. 11 through the morning of Aug. 12.

- Shower builds slowly and then falls off a cliff. So some will be seen on evenings and nights before the 11th. So, don't be surprised if you see some tonight!

- Generally, the shower's radiant point is the constellation Perseus. It appears first in the North East sky.

- HOWEVER, best viewing technique is, generally, lay on your back with feet facing North or North East. Then look straight up and let your peripheral vision pick stuff up.

- Goes without saying to be in a dark area, with views horizon to horizon.

- Good viewing usually starts about 9PM on the 11th and peaks about 2AM on the 12th.

- If you have something like a phone with GPS, a compass and something that knows up and down, try a program like Google Sky to know where Perseus is.

- For the Hams, meteor scatter (MS) doesn't care about light and dark, and does quite well until noon-ish on the 12th. The best bands for MS are 10m, 6m and 2m. Most folks go for 2m for the challenge. Others go higher, e.g. 220 and 432, but that's for the experts and not very productive. There's a coordination freq on 75m phone, but I don't recall the frequency. A lot of the serious Ops prearrange their schedules. Minimum equipment on 2m (barring some fancy comm modes) is 150W and 13dBi of antenna.

- For non-Hams with a scanner, you can listen for things like TV or FM stations in places at the right distances. Examples would be all the FM radio stations and TV channels 6 and below. Can easily hear places like Great Falls, MT, Vancouver and even AK. Takes a monster meteor to get a long transmission, but remember, we're talking powerful broadcast stations and the meteors that do this are hundreds of miles from you. Pester Craig. Maybe he can do something with his scanner stream.

- The little streaky meteors are objects the size of a grain of sand. That means they're moving really really fast when they hit the atmosphere. To the hams listening, the most you get out of these are a ping (assuming someone is transmitting where you're listening, etc.).

- The altitude where they burn up is roughly 50 miles (height above earth). That just happens to be about the same height as the E-layer of the ionosphere. Soooo, single hop communication on meteor scatter (MS) is, generally, on the order of 1000-ish miles. What's really cool about this kind of comm is that backscatter happens. When you hear one of those signals, it sounds echo'y. Kinda cool when you hear someone on the other side of the mountains or otherwise out of line of sight, but still closer than typical for MS.

- Also, because of the speed at which these things travel, Doppler effect is obvious on radio/TV signals, especially for the Morse code (CW) operators.

- Meteors that you see to the South are probably "randoms", and not associated with the Perseids.

Lastly, when it comes to meteor activity, we're subject to Mother Nature's whim. The East could have a great shower and the West totally suck. The last few years have been not great for our area, BUT, you NEVER know, so watch anyway.

I'm writing this in a hurry, and I'm sure I forgot something. So, if interested, keep an eye on it and I'll edit if I think of anything.

PS: Don't let the bears eat you.

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Fri Aug 09 2013, 02:16PM

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where up here would be a good place to watch this?

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labor mel wrote ...

where up here would be a good place to watch this?

Probably outside.

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Fri Aug 09 2013, 04:32PM

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Mtn.goat John wrote ...

labor mel wrote ...

where up here would be a good place to watch this?

Probably outside.

dork

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Fri Aug 09 2013, 05:46PM
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Thanks,
you just reminded me to air out the sleeping bags and test the 2 meter amp!!

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©ammy ⭐
Fri Aug 09 2013, 10:00PM


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labor mel wrote ...

where up here would be a good place to watch this?

The old mine above the dump is the first place that comes to mind.
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Fri Aug 09 2013, 10:22PM

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©ammy wrote ...

labor mel wrote ...

where up here would be a good place to watch this?

The old mine above the dump is the first place that comes to mind.


i was thinking over in that area also.. there is also a campsite not far in on the pct from dump road.. i was also thinking of coon creek cabin or one of the yellow post sites along the way there.. or onyx peak

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Fri Aug 09 2013, 10:52PM

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Anything that overlooks the desert risks a lot of skyglow, even to the East.

Don't forget that most of the meteor trails will originate toward the North and East, so better to be on the North side of the Valley.

Also don't forget that far out in the desert could be excellent viewing.

If you choose a bowl-like area, try to keep the rim sight line below 20 degrees elevation.

"I was goin' faster than I'd ever gone before, when I fell off."
- 'Little' from "Little Faus and Big Halsey"
"Microsoft is very sorry."
- David Pogue, "The Missing Manual" series, Vista edition
"Don't bother me; I'm clinging to my guns and Religion."
- bc

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- On/Off Switch
- Spitzer Boat Tail
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melvin
Sat Aug 10 2013, 07:55AM

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that was another place i was thinking about.. take camp rock past old woman and rabbit springs towards the ohv ares but instead of take the turn off stop and look.. might get some light pollution from vv coming thru from the west but shouuld be pretty dark

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BootsNBridles
Tue Aug 13 2013, 08:29PM

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I forgot all about the meteor shower. But I heard the horses making a fuss so got up in the wee hours of Monday morning- about 2AM. Looked out the window in time to see a LONG trail going from south to north!! THEN I remembered the shower!! Guess it was just lucky timing!
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I agree with Benny that the main point is that the area is posted closed and people are in violation, but I agree with Mountainarts observations and believe the Eagles are more adaptive than we think. I have been here since 1961 and am not concerned.

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mountainart
Dec 14 : 06:55pm
To BootsnBridles, I was only referencing what everybody who lives around Flathead Lake in Montana grows up knowing. Eagles basically are crows with fancy dress, Google all the videos of them mobbing townsfolk, or stealing groceries off people leaving the market.
Nothing negative, or positive that I am asserting, they are just what they are, no biggie.

mountainart
Dec 14 : 06:49pm
I was only commenting on the eagles, and how they are scavenger birds, which mentally have no fear of human activity.

Snowplay folks, and trespassing I was not referencing. That is a whole huge probl3m up here, with trash, no respect and outright hostility to homeowners as they blqtantly trespass qnd trash your porperty, while they look at you telling them to move on.....

Benny ⭐
Dec 14 : 06:38pm
Yeah that's all fine and dandy, but closed means closed. It's not just the eagle habitat which is a no brainer, but it's everywhere. All coming up to play in the snow and park anywhere there's a half spot. I get it, but show a smidgeon of respect!

BootsNBridles
Dec 14 : 06:34pm
mountain art, please state your credentials or cite your sources so we can all be impressed.

BootsNBridles
Dec 14 : 06:32pm
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BootsNBridles
Dec 14 : 06:32pm
Doo, there are two gates, one locked, a fence, and about a mile of super rocky road!

Arrowbear Rider
Dec 14 : 06:19pm
Mountainart, you may be right about the eagles, but that doesn't excuse to countless number of people that park where it's marked no parking and ignore the signs and cross the tape, trespassing where it's marked not to, just to play in stuff that you find in the freezer.

Once 1 or 2 park somewhere that is marked no parking (any where on the mountain), more will follow, clogging up the roadway; Then it takes an extra hour to go a mile or two near the drift park & above Snow Valley.

So, does that excuse their parking illegally or trespassing in marked areas? Leaving trash, etc, etc.

Holeshot413
Dec 14 : 06:03pm
Mountain Art nails it

mountainart
Dec 14 : 05:16pm
Yet, it's silly eco sensitism as the eagles literally don't care. Eagle nests outside a busy apartment and street next door to where used to live in Kalispell Mt. Eagles would play with local kids putting dead rats on string. The "Eagles might get nervous or stressed by seeing people" is pure sierra club false propoganda.

Casadelgado
Dec 14 : 02:31pm
Definitely not enough. Can't believe those fools can's read the signs and think how bad it will be over the holidays. Luckily she isn't on the nest now.



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