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Prohibition and Big Bear

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RichardG
Mon Nov 05 2018, 09:38PM Email Thread Print View
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Over the years I have had read many stories about historical events that have occurred in Big Bear. There is one in particular that I found very fascinating. It involves prohibition and a particular raid by federal agents in 1923. The basic story line is as follows:

 Two prohibition agents (husband and wife) stayed in Big Bear for a week in June of 1923 and gather evidence by buying alcohol from locals.
 Federal Agents with county warrants came back in two weeks and arrest 17 people on Friday July 6th 1923.
 Those arrested were mainly bootleggers, two were moonshiners and several people were arrested for possession.
 The violators were taken and held in county jail.
 When the Feds left on Saturday they left outstanding warrants with the local constable.
 A few days later the prisoners were brought back for trial to Judge Clifford Lynn’s court.
 Several paid fines, others served 30 to 90 days on road crew on Clark Grade.

Local historians have covered this story over the years through various venues. Among those are:

• Rick Keppler and Kim Sweet touched on it in one of their Big Bear Channel 6 History Shows
• Tom Core makes mention of the raid in one of his Bearly Remembered articles
• Syd Sullivan in a 1978 Highland newspaper has an article on it. He uses unidentified sources that he
said are trustworthy.
• John Robinson in his book The San Bernardinos has the same basic story but does not give a source.
• Clifford Walker when questioned about the story in his book One Eye Red the other Closed says he does
not remember the source.

As this research project got underway, I noticed that there was a lot of information that I did not know and a lot of just plain misunderstanding concerning prohibition.

I found these newly discovered facts very interesting and developed a PowerPoint presentation for the Big Bear Historical Society. As the presentation grew and grew, I realized it was too large for just one presentation. The end result was to split the information into three parts.

• The first part deals with the politics and social issues that lead up to the passage of the 18th
amendment.
• The second part explains what measures people took to get around the law and what took place to get
the 18th amendment repealed.
• The last part is titled Big Bear Confidential. This is where we look into the what activities were going
on in Big Bear during prohibition. Was there such a tail and who were the bootleggers working in the
area at that time.


As the presentation shows how the various political forces evolved and worked their way to their goals/agendas it is interesting to see some comparisons to various current issues. Advocates and defenders of smoking, non-smoking, vaping, marijuana, gun control and gun rights could all learn a lot by reviewing how prohibition was handled.

It is interesting to note that all of the US Constitutional amendments up to that time explain and guarantee some particular freedom, except for the 18th amendment. It is the one amendment that took a freedom away from the citizens.

The following slides are from the first section that was presented to the Big Bear Historical Society last month. Obviously if you attended the first meeting you would have been able to hear a lot more about the background of this project. Hopefully readers will be able to follow the main points by viewing and you will come to the second part of the presentation which will be given at the Historical Society meeting to be held on November 8th, 2018 at the Discovery Center at 7:00 pm. The public is welcome. There is no admission.

the_history_behind_prohibition_part_one_slide_1_thru_10.pdf
the_history_behind_prohibition_part_one_slide_11_thru_20.pdf
the_history_behind_prohibition_part_one_slide_21_thru_30.pdf
the_history_behind_prohibition_part_one_slide_31_thru_40.pdf
the_history_behind_prohibition_part_one_slide_41_thru_50.pdf

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Radha
Thu Nov 08 2018, 06:29AM

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Tonight should be awesome, you're a good presenter Richard!

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Don’t miss out, come by for the Big Bear Valley Historical Society’s General Meeting on Jan, 10th at Whispering Pines Estates Moble Home park’s club house at 7 pm for Part 3 of Prohibition in Big Bear.
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Lumber Jill ⭐
Mar 26 : 02:45pm
You feel sorry for HIS family having to relive this?! What about his victims? They were victimized twice... once by him and once by parents that were too star- struck to acknowledge what was going on. They live with it constantly, every day.

Tlingit
Mar 26 : 12:06pm
I'd want my day in court RMG. I wouldn't "pay off people spreading lies about me". But I digress.. He was a talent for sure, but deceased or not, regardless of how much time has passed, should be responsible for their actions while alive. I don't subscribe to the coddling of anyone who has done wrong. Not saying he did, but the 200 million and 20 accusations kinda raises an eyebrow..

RookieMtnGoat
Mar 26 : 11:40am
If I had the money, I can see paying off people who were spreading lies about me rather than go through a very public defense of every single item. I have not seen "Leaving Neverland" and probably never will, because I think it is inappropriate to publicly drag someone's name through the mud [again] so long after they are gone.

I feel really sorry for his children and other family members and close friends who have to keep reliving this.

The question I have about all the alleged victims... where were their parents when all this was happening? Did they not suspect something? Or was hanging with a rich guy more important than wondering what was happening with your kid?

Tlingit
Mar 26 : 11:00am
Those with power and money take advantage of lots of people. Why would MJ pay 200 million dollars in settlements in 20 cases? I wouldn't if I were innocent. would you? Just saying...

BootsNBridles
Mar 26 : 10:22am
While MJ had some serious issues I have never believe child molestation to be one of them. Were there kids he wanted to 'befriend' that didn't get what they wanted and felt let down? Likely. Lots of people take advantage of those with power and money.

Radha
Mar 26 : 09:37am
I understand the appearance of guilt. I won't try to convince anyone with a few simple words.

My close friend cooked at Neverland and lived there. I ineracted with him a half dozen times and catered a huge event.

This October, I met his therapist at a 2 week convention in Lake Arrowhead. She goes after child abusers, but said Michael wasn't one.

Who's to know the truth...

Quakes
Mar 26 : 08:48am
Radha, the "Leaving Neverland" program was rather forceful. It blew me away with how many people immediately changed their opinions about MJ just from that one documentary. Those 2 men did seem genuinely hurt and the way they went into such detail was what made a lot of people believe them. It was very conflicting for me because all these years, MJ was seen as a sensitive, childlike, and sympathetic person who wanted to have a childhood he never had. I would safely say that I've been on the fence about "Leaving Neverland."

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Mar 26 : 08:44am
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Radha
Mar 26 : 08:33am
MJ was a good guy, don't believe everything you read. My friends worked for him too.

Cap'n Crunch
Mar 26 : 07:14am
CK - Speaking of Thriller, my friend was MJ's road manager and did the tour in Japan. His daughter was one year old at the time and they have a pic of MJ holding her and posing for the camera. Talk about creepy!

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Hugereilly
Mar 25 : 11:46pm
Amazing talent....dubious character...judge them both separately.

Hugereilly
Mar 25 : 11:43pm
Benny, or for anyone else interested in the very long video of "Thriller"... [Click Here]

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