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Socalman
Sat Dec 01 2018, 08:35AM Email Thread Print View

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My wife just recently purchased a Subaru Forrester which has AWD. I am just wondering what experience folks have had with AWD in the area. How do AWD vehicles stand with the various chain conditions?

Would the Forrester be better in snow/ice or should I bring my Expedition and chain up? I have no problem putting on chains, I've done it countless times since I was 15.
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Sat Dec 01 2018, 09:30AM

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Socalman, we have a Forester and an Outback. We carried chains in the Forester to get through chain control but have always been waived through, R3 would require chains so you will want to carry them. Make sure you get class "S" or smaller for clearances as Subaru suggests no chains, but if traction devices needed use class "s". If you have good tires you will find getting around pretty easy but don't get crazy just because you have AWD. I tried to break loose but car corrects itself pretty well but push a turn at too fast a speed and you will have some fun. I usually give a car a good test to see how it will react.

Back in the day we had the 4WD Expedition.

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Here in Idaho they have no chain controls for passenger vehicles they put up suggestion signs when roads get icy.

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Sat Dec 01 2018, 12:42PM

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R2 allows AWD with the M/S tires (which you probably have on the Subaru). Your Subaru will perform very well in R2 conditions.. but always use caution.

Your Subaru with good mud-snow tires should have no problem with the typical winter weather in Big Bear. Only once in 8 years did I experience an R3 chains on all vehicles.. therefore get the appropriate traction devices for the Subaru just in case.

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Sat Dec 01 2018, 07:39PM

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Wife has a crosstrek. Question, Do you mount the chains (cables) on the front or rear of an AWD?

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Chains on the front give you steering and braking. On the rear gives you better acceleration. I'll let you decide.

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RH_Runner
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Polar Orbit wrote ...

Chains on the front give you steering and braking. On the rear gives you better acceleration. I'll let you decide.


I would always recommend reading the owners manual. Since living up here since 1964, and owning 7 Jeeps, I decided two years ago that I needed to add a pair of cables to my newer Jeep Cherokee. Knowing everything about chaining up, I decided that I needed traction and put them on the rear. After having them rip the wiring harness off the car, thus disabling the electronic 4 wheel drive, and a $500.00 repair, I did consult the owners manual as my wife had originally suggested. Of course, it indicated NEVER to put chains/cables on the rear tires and only on the front.

Go figure!

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A good friend, who was the one who convinced us to get our Outback, has been driving up weekends for years and recalls a few times of trouble in icy conditions. I think ice is where any 4wd could use chains.

I got a set of cable chains that I now carry along with a shovel, tow strap, tarp, and old snow clothes hoping to be properly prepared for unexpected conditions.
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Socalman
Mon Dec 03 2018, 07:31AM

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Thanks for the answers. Sounds like under MOST Big Bear winters we should be fine. I will read the owners manual!

I suppose I should get some cables to keep in the Forrester. I have not been a fan of them.

I always used chains until I bought my Expedition. The owners manual said cables so that is what I bought. It took very little time until the weight of that Expedition, combined with some bare areas on the road, and cables were breaking. I went to some auto supply store and inquired about a cable repair kit. I can't remember who it was I spoke to but he said he had been driving an Expedition for years and used regular chains. So for the past 13 years I have regular chains.
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Follow your owner's manual. My understanding is many vehicles with ABS can't use chains, it messes with it or tends to damage it (my 4Runner).

My Juke has the option for variable AWD drive OR Full Time AWD. I understand if you have ONLY variable AWD, you may be best off with cables on all four wheels. The computer that controls the variable systems become confused if you have cables on only one axle. Check with your mechanic to see if this is an issue for your vehicle.
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EvaJ
Aug 24 : 09:09pm
From the other side of the coin: I was driving DTH, going the speed limit and had a line of cars in front of me. A old jeep came up on me very fast so I planned to use the next turnout. He didn't give me time to get there and he passed (illegally) on a curve only to nearly rear end the next car in line. He screamed at me as he went by. Did he have a woman in labor in the car? What on earth could be important enough to risk a head on collision? This isn't the only time I've had this happen over the years but it's usually a sports car. For those of you that flash you lights at me when I use the turnout for you...thanks! I always say" ahhh...you're welcome!" out loud. My dog probably thinks I'm insane. She could be right.

dsrtpsn
Aug 24 : 06:51pm
I drive the Idyllwild road from Palm Desert, faster than most. I am more comfortable on mountain roads than freeways, but if someone is behind me, ill gladly let them pass, or ill pull over.

BBNona
Aug 24 : 05:58pm
Tlingit! I just think we all need to obey the law! If you want to drive slow, then pull over! That’s all

SDGrandma
Aug 24 : 05:01pm
wolfman If you go to the CA DMV webpage you can obtain the information for Driving laws in 103 languages!! When you go into a DMV office to pick up a Driver's Lic handbook, you can barely find an English one but they have one for every language listed. In each of those books there is clearly stated about the turnouts. Just like you and I if we have California Driver's License we are signing off to knowing all these laws and nowadays anyone can get a license. SO maybe during busy season some more CHP monitoring is needed which also generates income for the State so people get the message. To put a sign up with all the languages would obstruct the beautiful views of the mountains. If a poll be taken I would bet that 99% of the people who speed up etc speck only English! Can I mention!fanit dumb drivers again?

bluemeadow
Aug 24 : 04:55pm
Assimilation is important and you do need to learn the language of the land you live in. It's also important that people from everywhere that might travel up here be able to decipher traffic rules. This is for everyone's safety. This is why the rest of the world has standard traffic signs, often in universal symbols and in several languages, including English. Just yesterday in the Von's parking lot, there vas a German van that was traveling around the world, starting from Germany, They had already done much of Europe and African, are in the middle of North America and are traveling down through South America. So you never know where people up here might have come from! It said 2mitBulliumdie welt.de

SDGrandma
Aug 24 : 04:44pm
Been going up to Big Bear for 60 years! Would love to live there but just has not worked out. I refer to myself as a flatlander and an old one! I live DTH (down the hill) and that also could be derogatory. I am going down hill in more ways than one and if I sit too much, flatlander could mean more than living on the land below the mountains. I picked up the terms many many years ago from the people at Big Bear and felt it was said with no double meaning or disrespect. And BTW I do turn out if there is even one care behind me and I am not a slow driver. I also stay in the slow lane when in a passing lane situation since there are also those that wish to fly off the mountain without wings and I am no one to stop them. So Nona....gripe all you want! Those of us that travel those roads often understand what you are saying.....It is not only flatlanders but just plain ol' dumb people who should not be behind the wheel.... Ok Go for it I said dumb!!!!

Tlingit
Aug 24 : 01:37pm
Assimilation is key mtman. If I moved to another country I'd be expected to speak the language.

WaveSlider
Aug 24 : 11:50am
Have a good weekend everybody. Looks really nice up there.

MtMan
Aug 24 : 11:24am
I get your point but disagree. You should learn english if you live here, period.

wolfman
Aug 24 : 11:00am
Korean

wolfman
Aug 24 : 10:59am
I think that the turn out signs should also be written Spainish,Mandarin and loren.

Socalman
Aug 24 : 10:28am
I have been going up and down from Big Bear for almost 70 years. We are part-timers. My parents owned since about 1957, my wife and I bought in 2002. I can tell you that is it not only flatlanders who do speed up on the passing lanes.I have seen cars and trucks with business signs do the same. I am not offended by the term flatlander, I suppose it is descriptive. It certainly is easier then saying 'someone who lives off the mountain.'

Tlingit
Aug 24 : 10:00am
"flatlanders" is a derogatory remark don't you think Nona?

Tlingit
Aug 24 : 09:36am
Evaj X2...I have 2 pitties that don't like the curves so I get it.

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Aug 24 : 07:23am
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