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Cap'n Crunch
Sat Feb 23 2019, 10:47AM Email Thread Print View

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I posed a question in the chatbox about Grout Creek runoff and where the water goes when it hits the frozen lake. Lumber Jill confirmed that the creek is still flowing and that the warmer runoff melts the area where the creek intersects the lake.

I'm still curious about where the runoff, including groundwater, goes when it hits the frozen lake. I assume the groundwater gradually raises the entire sheet of ice on the surface of the lake.

But what happens with the areas of concentrated inflow from streams? Does the water flow past the melt zone and over the ice to then freeze into a thicker layer? Does it flow under the ice and create a localized bulge in the ice layer?

I found an article online that dealt with thermal transfers in ice formation but nothing to explain where the volume of incoming water goes. Can anyone help me to understand the dynamics here?

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The water the flows under the ice increases the water level in the lake (no localized bulging) If the water is flowing fast enough, it can flow over the ice, and increase it's thickness (it'll freeze pretty quick after it stops flowing) If the creek is flowing fast enough, it can also create an ice dam and temporary flooding. Grout Bay is big enough that this isn't likely to be a problem for that area.

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Once again, thanks for the explanation LJ.

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Thanks Jill!! Cap'n crunh, the lake isn't frozen solid, it's all water, just the top few inches are frozen, the water's still flowing into the lake...

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I agree with Benny that the main point is that the area is posted closed and people are in violation, but I agree with Mountainarts observations and believe the Eagles are more adaptive than we think. I have been here since 1961 and am not concerned.

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mountainart
Dec 14 : 06:55pm
To BootsnBridles, I was only referencing what everybody who lives around Flathead Lake in Montana grows up knowing. Eagles basically are crows with fancy dress, Google all the videos of them mobbing townsfolk, or stealing groceries off people leaving the market.
Nothing negative, or positive that I am asserting, they are just what they are, no biggie.

mountainart
Dec 14 : 06:49pm
I was only commenting on the eagles, and how they are scavenger birds, which mentally have no fear of human activity.

Snowplay folks, and trespassing I was not referencing. That is a whole huge probl3m up here, with trash, no respect and outright hostility to homeowners as they blqtantly trespass qnd trash your porperty, while they look at you telling them to move on.....

Benny ⭐
Dec 14 : 06:38pm
Yeah that's all fine and dandy, but closed means closed. It's not just the eagle habitat which is a no brainer, but it's everywhere. All coming up to play in the snow and park anywhere there's a half spot. I get it, but show a smidgeon of respect!

BootsNBridles
Dec 14 : 06:34pm
mountain art, please state your credentials or cite your sources so we can all be impressed.

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Dec 14 : 06:32pm
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BootsNBridles
Dec 14 : 06:32pm
Doo, there are two gates, one locked, a fence, and about a mile of super rocky road!

Arrowbear Rider
Dec 14 : 06:19pm
Mountainart, you may be right about the eagles, but that doesn't excuse to countless number of people that park where it's marked no parking and ignore the signs and cross the tape, trespassing where it's marked not to, just to play in stuff that you find in the freezer.

Once 1 or 2 park somewhere that is marked no parking (any where on the mountain), more will follow, clogging up the roadway; Then it takes an extra hour to go a mile or two near the drift park & above Snow Valley.

So, does that excuse their parking illegally or trespassing in marked areas? Leaving trash, etc, etc.

Holeshot413
Dec 14 : 06:03pm
Mountain Art nails it

mountainart
Dec 14 : 05:16pm
Yet, it's silly eco sensitism as the eagles literally don't care. Eagle nests outside a busy apartment and street next door to where used to live in Kalispell Mt. Eagles would play with local kids putting dead rats on string. The "Eagles might get nervous or stressed by seeing people" is pure sierra club false propoganda.

Casadelgado
Dec 14 : 02:31pm
Definitely not enough. Can't believe those fools can's read the signs and think how bad it will be over the holidays. Luckily she isn't on the nest now.



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