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doo·hick·ey
Fri Jun 05 2020, 06:07PM

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Possible we (most) have already had it. Benny and many of my friends were down early on, for few weeks back in Jan/Feb. No evidence or sources.
Now I must lookup where that antibody testing was located. Lake Arrowhead maybe was closest, per the memory banks. Appointment only by phone con.

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doo·hick·ey wrote ...

Possible we (most) have already had it. Benny and many of my friends were down early on, for few weeks back in Jan/Feb. No evidence or sources.
Now I must lookup where that antibody testing was located. Lake Arrowhead maybe was closest, per the memory banks. Appointment only by phone con.

Edit: I hate flipping the thread page. Good key points from others just before...


You can get a test at Quest, but they now report tests are about 50% accurate, pretty unreliable. I know people who have had it come back negative and those who didn't think they did result positive. So we may never really know the true scope of this. But we are now at the 14-day marker since Memorial Weekend, so if there's no new cases, unlikely to be any. Would have fallen ill by now.

Update:
Big Bear Lake is now reporting 1 new case, the first one in nearly a month. The remaining 9 of 10 cases have all since recovered and returned to their normal daily life.

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Over and over I’ve asked the City to bring up antibody testing. I have to admit the reasons they haven’t are understandable because testing can be inaccurate but the reason that they don’t know where to look for the best testing is lame.
Set up a task force to investigate the most accurate testing results and act. Locals need to know if they can relax or stay the course.
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Benny ⭐ wrote ...

You can get a test at Quest, but they now report tests are about 50% accurate, pretty unreliable.

WoW Quest here in town.
I had Lake Arrowhead incorrect as an antibody test place. It was in a linked SBSun article that didn't include Quest. [Click Here]
"Nasal swab and antibody testing is available from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. daily, by appointment only, at these urgent cares:

Colton Urgent Care Center, 1181 N. Mt. Vernon Ave., Colton. Information: 909-639-8800 or [Click Here].
Redlands Urgent Care Center, 301 W. Redlands Blvd., Redlands. Information: 909-335-1900 or [Click Here].
Yucaipa Urgent Care Center, 33494 Oak Glen Road, Yucaipa. Information: 909-797-8900 or [Click Here]
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doo·hick·ey wrote ...

Benny ⭐ wrote ...

You can get a test at Quest, but they now report tests are about 50% accurate, pretty unreliable.

WoW Quest here in town.
I had Lake Arrowhead incorrect as an antibody test place. It was in a linked SBSun article that didn't include Quest. [Click Here]
"Nasal swab and antibody testing is available from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. daily, by appointment only, at these urgent cares:

Colton Urgent Care Center, 1181 N. Mt. Vernon Ave., Colton. Information: 909-639-8800 or [Click Here].
Redlands Urgent Care Center, 301 W. Redlands Blvd., Redlands. Information: 909-335-1900 or [Click Here].
Yucaipa Urgent Care Center, 33494 Oak Glen Road, Yucaipa. Information: 909-797-8900 or [Click Here]

Yeah I don't think the Quest office up here is processing Antibody testing. Need to go down the mtn, but I could be wrong, they weren't a month ago. But all tests are 50/50 at best.

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Lockdowns across the globe prevented millions of deaths from the novel coronavirus, new studies published Monday report.

According to a study by the Imperial College of London, some 3 million deaths were averted in eleven countries - Austria, Belgium, Britain, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Norway, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland – because of lockdown measures including the closings of non-essential businesses and schools.

A separate study conducted in the United States and published alongside the British study Monday found that some 530 million cases of COVID-19 were prevented or delayed by lockdown policies implemented in China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, France and the United States.

The number of COVID-19 deaths worldwide neared 403,000 and the confirmed cases stands at more than seven million, according to data collected by the Johns Hopkins University’s Coronavirus Research Center.

The World Health Organization (WHO) warned Monday that while the situation was improving in Europe, it is worsening in other parts of the world.

“More than 100,000 cases have been reported on 9 of the past 10 days. Yesterday, more than 136,000 cases were reported, the most in a single day so far,” Dr. Tedros Adhanom, WHO director general, said Monday.

“Almost 75% of yesterday’s cases come from 10 countries, mostly in the Americas and South Asia,” he added, noting increases in Africa, Eastern Europe, and Central Asia as well.

The United States remains the country with the highest number of deaths, followed by Britain, Brazil and Italy.

U.S. has also the highest number of confirmed cases, moving closer to two million, followed by Brazil with about a third of that number, and Russia and Britain.

The good news, however, came from New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who announced Monday that the country had eliminated transmission of the new coronavirus. The New Zealand has decided to lift most of its remaining Covid-19 restrictions but will keep its borders closed.

Meanwhile, authorities across the United States are urging people who took part in protests of the death of George Floyd to get COVID-19 tests after more than a week of marches and close contact with each other.

“Get a test,” New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said, adding that the state is opening 15 new testing sites and telling people not to take any chances. 

Similar calls for testing have come from state and city leaders in Atlanta, San Francisco, and Seattle.

As many as 400,000 people are expected to return to their jobs in New York Monday as the country’s largest city begins its first phase of reopening. Many will be using the subway for the first time in nearly three months.

Construction workers and those with jobs in factories, wholesale houses, and some retailers will be returning to work. Stores are offering curbside pickup only.

But the city’s thousands of restaurants will remain closed at least through the rest of the month.

While New York City officials appeared confident enough to start to reopen, the Florida Department of Health announced another 1,180 new coronavirus cases Sunday, saying it was the fifth straight day the number of new cases exceeds 1,000.

Experts in Florida say people are becoming careless about social distancing since statewide lockdowns have eased. They also note that the numbers started rising when the George Floyd protests began.

Florida Republican Senator Rick Scott accused China on Sunday of trying to sabotage U.S. efforts to develop a coronavirus vaccine.

In Europe, which suffered great losses earlier in the pandemic, countries are slowly reopening. Some countries in the European Union have opened borders to other European visitors. The European Union has said it hopes to open all borders to travelers by early July, the start of the summer travel season.

WHO director-general encourages COVID-19-safe protesting

World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Monday he supports the global movement against racism, but encourages protesters to do it “safely."

At his Monday news briefing, Tedros urged protesters to keep at least one meter apart from one another, wash their hands, cover their mouths when coughing and wear a mask while demonstrating. He also said protesters who are sick should stay at home.

During Monday's news conference, he also encouraged countries to strengthen public health measures and to find, isolate and test for every coronavirus case.

Also at the briefing, WHO emergency programs technical lead Maria Van Kerkhove told reporters that their ongoing research found it is rare for asymptomatic COVID-19 carriers to actually pass along the disease. She said the key to controlling the spread of the virus is to follow the symptomatic cases.

Kerkhove said they know COVID-19 is a respiratory pathogen that passes from an individual through infectious droplets. Symptomatic people are the ones producing those droplets, she said, and if all of them were followed closely and isolated, COVID-19 numbers would be drastically reduced.

"It seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Kerkhove said. “What we really want to be focused on is following the symptomatic cases. If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, follow the contacts and quarantine those contacts, we would drastically reduce" the spread. (Source: VOA News)
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If anybody "quotes" the above I'm going to snicker.

If the flu numbers being compared to, ever had stay at home, hand washing & mask measures, there would be nothing to compare. haha
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Skyline Drive wrote ...

2020

What a year! Am I right?

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And then

(CNN) — The spread of Covid-19 by someone who is not showing symptoms appears to be rare, Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization’s technical lead for coronavirus response and head of the emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday.

“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Van Kerkhove said on Monday.

“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They’re following asymptomatic cases, they’re following contacts and they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It is very rare — and much of that is not published in the literature,” she said. “We are constantly looking at this data and we’re trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question. It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward.”

Van Kerkhove went on to describe how the novel coronavirus, a respiratory pathogen, spreads through droplets, which can be released when someone coughs or sneezes.

“It passes from an individual through infectious droplets. If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, followed the contacts and quarantined those cases, we would drastically reduce — I would love to be able to give a proportion of how much transmission we would actually stop — but it would be a drastic reduction in transmission,” she said.

Van Kerkhove also said that what appear to be asymptomatic cases of Covid-19 often turn out to be cases of mild disease.

“When we actually go back and we say how many of them were truly asymptomatic, we find out that many have really mild disease,” Van Kerkhove said.

“They’re not quote-unquote Covid symptoms, meaning they may not have developed fever yet, they may not have had a significant cough, or they may not have shortness of breath — but some may have mild disease,” she said. “Having said that, we do know that there can be people who are truly asymptomatic.”

Many people with Covid-19 who may appear to be asymptomatic actually could just have mild or atypical symptoms — or they could be pre-symptomatic, Dr. Manisha Juthani, an infectious diseases specialist and associate professor of medicine and epidemiology at Yale School of Medicine, said in an email to CNN on Monday.

Pre-symptomatic refers to the early stages of an illness, before symptoms have developed, whereas asymptomatic may refer to having no symptoms throughout the course of an infection — a distinction that Van Kerkhove hinted at during Monday’s media briefing.

Juthani, who did not participate in the media briefing and has not reviewed the unpublished data Van Kerkhove cited, said those findings are not necessarily inconsistent with other estimates regarding how pre-symptomatic spread of the coronavirus can occur.

A study in April found that viral shedding — when people may be able to infect others — could begin two to three days before symptoms appeared. In addition, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates in planning scenarios that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick.

“These patients weren’t asymptomatic,” Juthani said. Rather, they were “spreading disease before becoming symptomatic.”

Overall, “these findings suggest that if we quarantine and contact trace symptomatic people, we can make a significant dent in the pandemic,” Juthani said.

Making this distinction between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic infections remains important — but also between “paucisymptomatic infections,” which refers to having atypical or very mild symptoms, Babak Javid, a principal investigator at Tsinghua University School of Medicine in Beijing and consultant in infectious disease at Cambridge University Hospitals, said in a written statement distributed by the UK-based Science Media Centre on Monday.

“Detailed contact tracing from Taiwan as well as the first European transmission chain in Germany suggested that true asymptomatics rarely transmit. However, those (and many other) studies have found that paucisymptomatic transmission can occur, and in particular, in the German study, they found that transmission often appeared to occur before or on the day symptoms first appeared,” Javid said in the statement.

“Other data available, from studies in several continents confirming that presymptomatic transmission does occur, would suggest that being well does not necessarily mean one cannot transmit SARS-CoV-2,” Javid said in part. “This has important implications for the track/trace/isolate measures being instituted in many countries.”

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