Coyote Attack Near Holloways
Oilhauler, Tue Oct 06 2009, 06:06PM

I just lurk at this great site for informantion.
We have been partimers for over 40 years, Last Monday afternoon we suffered our frist coyote attack. The SOB came right up on our front porch and snacthed one of our Boston Terriers with me setting just a few feet away. Within seconds he was across the street and out ofsight. Being a wheelchair user, all I could do wa scream @#*%! at him. MY 70 year old sister jumped in the van and sped off down Lakeview, hoping to see him. Too no avail she took to offroading behind nearby cabins were she spotted the SOB killing the 10lb. dog. Charging straight at him, he drop the dog, she was able to scoop her up before he turned towards both of them. Offroading back to our place we smoked it to VCA-Lakeside, were Dr. Sevedge was waiting for us after our call. He did a great job saving her life and closing up her many bites.
Any ideas on how too ride our area of this preadetor, he has been sighted many times stalking and has killed many pets on our point.

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Bookworm, Tue Oct 06 2009, 06:17PM

Welcome Oilhauler. So glad your pup was able to be saved.

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Oden, Tue Oct 06 2009, 06:51PM

The best way to be rid of them is a $40.00 bounty per hide! Call it a predator stimulus program!

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Lumber Jill, Tue Oct 06 2009, 07:05PM

I am so sorry for your traumatizing day! I am glad your sister was able to rescue your pup and VCA was able to save her! I don't have an answer for you about what to do about the coyotes, but I'm sure others will.

BTW...welcome! I hope you visit more often!

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chekkasan, Tue Oct 06 2009, 08:11PM

Welcome to the mountains! You need to keep those puppies on leashes at ALL TIMES. You can't keep the coyotes out unless you buy a really high fence. There you go. It is the mountains and it's their world.

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Lumber Jill, Tue Oct 06 2009, 08:20PM

A leash is not going to keep them from nabbing the fur babies

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KK, Tue Oct 06 2009, 08:37PM



It would be a hell of a tug of war in my book! I would be bashing the crap out of the coyote till it dropped my cat or puppy on a leash! Hell the tire knocker would do some damage to it! Sorry I'm onery (no not horney) tonight!!!

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Lumber Jill, Tue Oct 06 2009, 08:40PM

tonight?! you're always ornery! that's why I love ya! I agree...it would be a helluva battle, I'm just saying a leash isn't going to intimidate a bold coyote.

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KK, Tue Oct 06 2009, 08:42PM

It would after I wrapped it around it's freekin' neck!!!!

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KK, Tue Oct 06 2009, 08:44PM



OH an then around its "you know whats!!!!"



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Deb Doodah, Tue Oct 06 2009, 08:45PM

Actually Oilhauler said he/she is in a wheelchair. That combined with a dog on a leash and a coyote would not have had a good outcome.


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KK, Tue Oct 06 2009, 08:48PM

Sorry for being so insensitive. I guess a leash wouldn't work in that case.

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Geezer, Tue Oct 06 2009, 09:12PM

I have had an experience where the coyotes lured my 60 lb dog down into a gully when I was out snowshoing. I could hear it as the coyotes were going for the kill. I was able to run on the snowshoes (racing model Redfeathers) down into the gully and start flailing with my trekking poles...imagine the Tasmanian Devil in this visual...coyotes ) Geezer 1. My dog had very thick fur, so did not suffer since Igot there so quick, but I can't think about the consequences if I had not been as mobile then. A leash is the best answer, even with a wheelchair. Also, some training. If the dog is with a person who is mobility challenged, there are classes for that. If you send me a personal message, I will get the information to you. I have a dog that is service dog trained!

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, Wed Oct 07 2009, 12:21AM

For some reason there have been a lot of coyote attacks near the lake this year. I know of one person who had two dogs at separate times attacked (one was killed).

I am so glad your baby was saved. I could not even fathom what you might have been going through when the coyote took him or her.

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Ernest T. Bass, Wed Oct 07 2009, 06:15AM

Shoot the dam things, it is legal to do as they are not protected and do not require a special licence to shoot, you do need to have a hunter saftey card and only shoot when you know what is in behind the coyote where you are shooting. A .22 cal bullet is good enough to do the job. you do not need a high power gun. even a pellet gun can do it.

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Bmatheny, Wed Oct 07 2009, 06:54AM

I agree with Bruce. Go to Kmart and get a decent pellet gun and have it handy where you can reach for it.

Seeing as though I live on the edge of town, I keep 22s ready just in case.

Heck, you can even get a nice pellet PISTOL and it will do the same thing.

Dogs are different than cats and other critters. Dogs will try to stand and fight. Cats will run for cover.

Glad you got your puppy back and be safe.


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bc, Wed Oct 07 2009, 07:08AM

The problem is NOT unique to the mountains. We have the same problem down here. More so, in fact than we do up there, just based on my number of encounters (no bears yet). We've had two lion kills in our yard down here, which I've mentioned before. Also, people have had their pets killed, and folks out walking their dogs or children in strollers have been 'attacked' by both hunting pairs of coyotes and solitary animals. There also are plenty of bobcats. We live on a hillside, but it's just a typical suburban area with paths several miles long to what might be called wilderness area (O.C. version).

Up there, the coyotes have a healthy fear of humans; not true down here. Although, on a short hike up there, I had a bobcat run over my foot while it was chasing a chippie. That was interesting to watch. I describe the chase as looking a lot like water flowing, where they almost floated over boulders and brush/trees.

I don't go out at night down here without carrying at least one trekking pole. When walking, it is over my shoulder, pointing up, because my worst fear is a lion attack from a tree. I often encounter walkers as I go to the street to get the mail, and the over the shoulder carry is non-threatening.

With the first lion kill, I found that calling Animal Control is a waste of time and effort. In fact, I'd call it a classic example of government buck passing. The path took me through law enforcement, with zero interest.

I chose trekking poles for reasons I won't go into. Down here we keep them in the umbrella stand by the door. I also keep a pair in my car. For protection against the large predators, I'd prefer a powerful sidearm for my travels in the mountains, and a combat sword for down here, BUT ...

As far as how to deal with an attack, you need to do two things that are not entirely compatible. Stay close to your pet/child and don't be lured away. Assuming you have something like a trekking pole, slashing/beating them will not be as effective as stabbing motion. Be aggressive, not defensive, and drive hard into them. In other words, 'attack'. Let there be no doubt, this is tough to pull off with trekking poles. That's why I'd prefer a combat sword, where a slashing motion is back in the mix.

The only thing you have going for you is that once they realize they are or could be injured, they should back off. The one thing they know is that an injury ultimately will result in their death. This is why an aggressive approach on your part is the better choice.

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Oden, Wed Oct 07 2009, 07:29AM

A daily dose of coyote medicine is the answer. They will eventually forget to take their medicine, and need to be reminded from time to time.



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Oilhauler, Wed Oct 07 2009, 09:41AM

Thanks for all the kind words and suggestions. The bounty is intersting, don't need the skins, just a photo of his carcuss-- $40.00 is to cheap! These Bostons are not very strong candidates for service training, lol = little old lazy!
We keep both of them leashed when outside now, no more chasing squrriels.
LEOCO Fence is putting up what Travis says is the best we can do in fenceing our back yrad.
The dog is healing well, all the Staff at VCA did a wonderful job of careing for her during her 4 day stay.
We are DTH now where skunks are the wild animals we see/smell.
Thanks again- - going pellet pistol shopping.



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Bmatheny, Wed Oct 07 2009, 09:44AM

make sure you get something you can reload easily and quickly. Also, buy yourself some targets for practice.

Good luck.

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Oilhauler, Wed Oct 07 2009, 10:14AM

I have seen some CO2 pistols on line that have a 8 shot reloadale mag. will be looking around for somthing easy to handle.
We don't get UTH much during the winter, so I got awhile to research what will be the best for our use.

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Oden, Wed Oct 07 2009, 11:18AM

Many other states have bounties on coyotes to reduce their numbers. They can be a real problem with livestock, especially the young. It is nothing to be driving down a highway in Utah or Montana and see a farmer or local winging away at a coyote within distance.

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Socalman, Wed Oct 07 2009, 01:49PM

A "nice high fence" isn't the answer either. I have watched as a coyote jumped on top of an 8 foot wall like an Olympic high jumper during warm-ups. A .22 might work!

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bills grandson, Wed Oct 07 2009, 03:27PM

As far as I know the only legal way to shoot a predator within a closed area is if he is attacking your chickens. Not sure if it extends to pets. It should.
If you re looking for a pellet gun. I would get a very powerful one. The animal should not be allowed to suffer.

A paint ball gun while not lethal may be fun and embareese him so much he would not come back.

I can remember driving through New Mexico and seeing fences with the nights kill of coyotes strung out on them.

There were adds in the 40's in sports magazines advertising thompson sub machine guns for use on coyotes.





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Geezer, Wed Oct 07 2009, 04:34PM

Glad your dog is OK. Good luck, it sounds like you are taking all the precautions you can. The leash is the biggest part I think! !bighug

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Benny ⭐, Wed Oct 07 2009, 06:13PM



A bat or a foot to the head might. Dogs should be on leashes by law anyway.


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, Wed Oct 07 2009, 06:40PM

I am not sure if these really work....

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HondaBabe, Wed Oct 07 2009, 06:45PM

All I know is..........the wild guys are trying to survive, not to be taken personally. But yes, we need to be diligent to keep our furry members safe. I think those strong loud blow whistles would work great, would startle them. You know what I mean, the human defense alarms.

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Geezer, Wed Oct 07 2009, 09:39PM

Harley I agree that they are trying to survive, but they are no longer "wild" when they are surviving off of "man". The coyote population up here has exploded in the past 10 to 20 years, and they have gotten to where they are no longer afraid of man, even with a whistle, and instead see "man" as a way to exist. They are scavengers, and live off of dog food, cat food, garbage, and small pets! They have expanded their population up here because of us. Nature also usually provides for the dominant species to keep the balance in control, at some point we will need to control them just as people control rats when the population overpopulates.

Hugs to you my friend. !bighug




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Oilhauler, Wed Oct 07 2009, 10:47PM


THANKS 3B That is the product I was looking for.
I have contacted LEOCO about installing it
Will let ou know how it works out

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MIKE, Thu Oct 08 2009, 05:21AM

I live up the street from Halloways and there was a coyote attack on a kid recently. He was able to fend off the pack attack with his back pack (err sorry just came ot that way). They tell me they can take me to the location of the pack which seems to be just up from BB, BLVD across the street from Edgemore. I see or hear Coyotes nightly and have considered loading up my rimfire to protect my dogs. Even though they are big dogs a pack of coyotes could be very dangerous.

Was this attack reported to animal control, police, Dept of Fish and Game? Would it help to notify them of the pack location?

Or I can just take a walk to the pack area with this and no one will know.

New .22 RWS 34P airgun

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MIKE, Thu Oct 08 2009, 05:32AM




Use Beeman Crowmagnums for close range pellets and Predator Poly Mags for extended range. Both are heavy hollow point types. The poly mag has a polymer pointed tip inserted in the dish for penetration.
Also I don't know of a pellet pistol that will have the power to terminate a coyote, 650 FPS in .177 cal is not very effeciant. You might want to look into something lake a RWS 34P Pro Compact rifle or a Gamo Whisper in .22 cal.

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bc, Thu Oct 08 2009, 09:43AM

If anyone is contemplating getting an "air" or CO2 gun, please do your homework. Here are some examples of important issues when making a choice between the two types of guns.

1. Accuracy: The CO2 is inherently more accurate (with one problem). Whereas, an airgun starts to recoil before the pellet moves (there is a design that mostly avoids this, but they're expensive and hard to find). On the other hand, CO2 is temperature sensitive; not so important for pistols against critters, but definitely something to know about. The more powerful an airgun is, the more difficult it is to control. You'll hear airgunners refer to something called the "artillery hold". Bottom line: CO2 is like a regular firearm. Shooting an airgun accurately is an art.

2. Convenience/Reliability: CO2 guns are more reliable. Sooner or later, a powerful airgun will break, probably the spring. Also, airguns have more wear-out factors. The powerful airguns are also hazardous during the cocking process. CO2 guns have a different kind of danger, namely being aware that it may be ready to fire. So, treat all of them with great care, just like a firearm! Again because of recoil, scopes for airguns are an expensive specialty item. Weird though it may seem, the scope you have on your .458 Magnum elephant gun could be destroyed after a few shots when used on a powerful airgun. It's not unusual to spend more on the scope for an airgun than for the airgun itself. CO2 doesn't have this problem. OTOH, with CO2, you are faced with recharging the reservoir; not trivial and means more 'stuff'.

3. Silence is Golden: The airguns are quieter than CO2. This is an important topic in some applications. The word "suppressor" is used frequently, and in many circles is a dirty word.

4. Generally speaking, you get what you pay for. Monitor the Airgun Forum for more insights. As far as my applications, I chose an Airgun. I can grab it and take out a pest with no fanfare. I don't shoot it a lot, just enough to keep the lubrication up. Even so, I have broken a spring after the first 1500 or so shots.

5. I'd like to repeat the hazard issue associated with "adult" airguns. Namely, cocking these things is a hazardous process both for the human and the gun. If you take the safety off and then have to put it back on 'safe', on most guns that means going through the cocking action again, though this time the spring is already compressed. Never dry fire (discharge without a pellet or equivalent) an airgun!!! You shouldn't leave an airgun cocked. That means shooting something, probably a pellet, to decock it. You could fish out the pellet and put cotton lube pellets in, but mucking about with a cocked, opened breach, airgun is downright spooky.

Mike, please add/adjust/correct anything.

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MtMan, Thu Oct 08 2009, 10:59AM

your opinion on Gamo Hunter Sport and the Whisperer please? Please comment on the 3-9x40 scope also. Thanks.

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bc, Thu Oct 08 2009, 11:20AM

I'm not familiar with either, and I'd need to know the make/model of the scope. Is this something advertised in American Rifleman?

Again, for question like this, I'd suggest signing up for the Airgunners Forum. It's free. They do seem to favor Beeman and RWS brands. EDIT: How could I forget FWB ... all that fine German engineering. BTW, airgun brands are built all over the world and rebranded. Caveat Emptor.

Mike may be familiar with Gamo products.

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bc, Thu Oct 08 2009, 11:24AM

Here's the Airgun Forum link:
[Click Here]

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Deb Doodah, Thu Oct 08 2009, 11:28AM

It's not just UTH that the coyotes have become a problem. For the last couple of nights, we have had a pack that has been very, very active. It sounds as if they are using the decoy method to lure in possible meals. You will hear one that sounds to be young, howling and barking. After a few minutes of this the rest of the pack joins in and I think they have gotten their meal. It is very unnerving to be woken up by.

In fact, they were very active this morning at 4:30 to 5:30. Vern even went out with the dogs with his pellet gun. They were just on the other side of the fence.

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MtMan, Thu Oct 08 2009, 11:48AM

They do advertise the Whisper model, the ones I referred to are on the Gamo USA website. Thanks for the link.

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HondaBabe, Thu Oct 08 2009, 11:53AM


That totally makes sense Geezer and I appreciate your input. My heart goes out to those who have lost furry family members. My neighbor in Acton, Ca. lost their Jack Russell to one. Its horrifying!! And the howels when they have caught something is bone chilling. I hate it. But it is nature, but they need to leave our babies alone!!!!! For sure!!!! Hugs back

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MIKE, Thu Oct 08 2009, 12:51PM

BC is pretty much correct.
I am told that Gamo is not the preferred gun for serious adult airgunners most seem to lean towards RWS then Beeman. Do not buy an RS2 Sportsman series air rifle. they are made in china and are junk. I know as I bought one. I later purchased the Diana RWS 34P seen above.

The 3-9x40 scopes are nice but make sure you get one rated for Air Guns, they actually kick twice when fired while a powder gun has one kick. Usually the scope that comes with the gun is junk, better to buy them separately.
There is another type of airgun not mentioned here which is a PCP style. Pre-Charged Pneumatic. These can be the most powerfull and are sold at even 50 caliber and can take down a water buffalo. They can be very expensive but they are really nice. PCP gun here [Click Here]
In the 250 dollar range of guns get an RWS 34. The Gamo magnum series will compete but people really seem to shy away from them. Still I don't know of any C02 pistols that will take down a coyote but they will hurt it and it will go away.
Spring guns here [Click Here]

You can learn a bunch from here as well.
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MIKE, Thu Oct 08 2009, 12:54PM

I have asked in the forum about spring types able to take down coyotes. and pistols too.

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bills grandson, Thu Oct 08 2009, 02:36PM

what kind of range do these things have?

I would guess 100 feet is a good range but the idea is to put all pellets through the same hole.

And to these fall into any gun law catagory?



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MIKE, Thu Oct 08 2009, 04:16PM



I can hit 1 inch group at about 35 or so yards, if I take my time I can do a 1/4 inch group around the pin hole of the bullseye. 25 yards I can be pretty lazy and get a half to 1 inch group.
Mentioning the Artillery Hold here. You rest the gun on an open palm, use the end of your finger on the trigger and just butt your gun against the shoulder and lightly touch the stock comb with your cheek. Fire is a gentle squeeze and you keeps aiming until you hear the thunk of the round on target.
Now I understand the PCP guns have a 100 to 200 yard range with 50 FPE at the muzzle.

Big Game AirGun hunting.
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And a video.

They are not firearms.



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bills grandson, Fri Oct 09 2009, 11:08AM

pretty cool. Sounds like an economical way to do the shooting. Probably can get very expensive too.
I hope parents don't just let their kids have these thinking they are a BB gun. "you could put an eye out with it" at least.

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bills grandson, Fri Oct 09 2009, 03:06PM

I know you guys love your pets and I can understand it.

but.....

I think I would have lifted a coyote over the fence of my ex neighbors to get rid of their little black ball of bark that after 4 years (6 months at least where I tried to make friends with it) never figured out that it's guard duties ended at their fence and I actually belonged there. It's "parents" never did anything but the ocassional "now mitsy, or fluffy, or whatever.

I was trying to train my squirell's to kill on command, but they never got the hang of it. But they did enjoy watching it run into the chainlink fence trying to catch them

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MIKE, Fri Oct 09 2009, 04:42PM



Not remotely funny.

Picture this. I am home as you attempt this torturous event. I see you struggling with the yote. I grab my gun and shoot the predator. Now it's my decision what to do next. I am protecting my personal property and my beloved pet. Ah what the hell the gun must have slipped and you took one in the ass as you ran away.
Now that's much more amusing.

Neither of our posts would be considered appropriate I invite you to delete yours and I will delete mine.


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bills grandson, Fri Oct 09 2009, 05:48PM

Mike
no thanks.

Since I didn't do it it is a mute point.
I think if you are going to have a pet you should make sure it is trained and not annoying the neighbors. As I am sure most are.
I have never tried to hurt anyones pet. Did manage to "train" a few running loose not to chase my car
I have had guns pointed at me before and have either been close enough to take them away, or been armed and able to defend myself.
The only time I ever pulled a gun on someone to protect myself I was not sure I would have been able to fire. Luckily the guy backed down. I will never be in that situation again.
If you pull a gun you better be prepared to kill. And an animal is not good enough reason to kill a person over.
that is why we have laws

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MIKE, Fri Oct 09 2009, 06:37PM

So then why were horse thieves , and cattle rustlers shot? And why kill any other animal for taking your pet or livestock for that matter? Is one life loved better than one hated or unknown?
Think about it BG, what is important to you may not be important to me and vise verse. But I love my dogs as I would any child and many feel the same as I do regarding there pets. I would protect them at all cost which is my duty and responsibility.

If my dogs were barkers and my neighbor informed me they were I would purchase a bark collar to stop the problem. Did you approach your neighbor in such a manner? Maybe that would just take too much personal effort I guess. Better to just kill his pet, right?

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bills grandson, Fri Oct 09 2009, 07:01PM

horses and cattle were a bit more then a dog or a cat.

Even a dog back in the olden days may have been the difference between life and death
today except for service dogs a pet is a luxury. While I understand the love for an animal. I have always been close to my dogs when I had them. I would never put them on the same level as a human life.

If you were in a fire and could only save one. Would you grab your pet who you love as much as a child. Or someone else's child?

If your dog is a barker do you need your neighbor to tell you?

this was before those collars were available.
My neighbors were well aware of the situation and did nothing.

They very idea of being a neighbor means in most cases you should not have to be told there is a problem. I even gave my neighbors the oppurtunity to help choose the color I would paint as they would have to look at it more then me.
A neighbor would ask if there were a problem, or offer to help if they saw one.

People who live next door are not always a neighbor. These two "ladies" never were.



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Oilhauler, Sat Oct 10 2009, 06:41PM

Thanks MIKE for all your help and ideas in your PM, we will be looking this winter for a CO2 pistol.
Will keep you advised.
3B I contacted coyoteroller.om, it's a pretty slick system. Bob the owner was very helpful, his biggest customers are airports. Travis at LEOCO has spoke to him, and placed our order.
We will have a 6' brown steel/vinyl fence, topped with brown powder coated rollers. This will keep us in code.
Check there website, quite a product.
I know nothing is fool proof, but this has got to help.
Our Boston is healing well, a little gun shy still about going outside, gets her stitches out Tuesday.

Re: Coyote Attack Near Holloways
Oilhauler, Mon Sep 20 2010, 07:57PM

Hi Guys, wondering how this year has been for coyote attacks in the vally,
Any near Holloways MIKE ?
We have not seen any traces in our area. yet