Trash, put your stuff here!
KK, Thu Sep 05 2019, 12:53PM

Sorry to be using chat for all the trash issues.


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Airport Razz, Thu Sep 05 2019, 01:13PM

Yes, ,time for it to move to thread. Just wanted to get things started and out there as there are some CSD people in this group and they need to hear this stuff. Once again, government agency - 1 Locals - 0

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Dreamweaver, Fri Sep 06 2019, 06:15PM

[Click Here]

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KK, Sat Sep 07 2019, 07:52AM

🤣😂🤣

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NShore.Allen, Sat Sep 07 2019, 12:52PM

The trucks with the mechanical claw require only one worker on the truck and will solve the ice berm issue (they have a good reach).


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Polar 🌌rbit, Sat Sep 07 2019, 02:29PM

We've had the claw truck with one driver for a long time in Costa Mesa. Truck has a long arm as you say. Of course we have no snow berms. It's amazing that people still put out other stuff that the truck won't pick up.

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©ammy, Sat Sep 07 2019, 09:02PM


Can they make the trucks have a berm REMOVAL mechanical claw?

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Airport Razz, Sun Sep 08 2019, 08:56AM

Only problem with that NSA is no claw here. Take a look at the videos. I originally thought the side claw would be OK with exception of those days when we get those 5ft plus solid ice berms. Still minimum 2 men on truck. The trashcan is wheeled across the road to in front of the same dumpster on the forks. a device that attaches to the dumpster lifts and dumps, tech wheels it back. So tech is going to dig out can after it gets bermed back in......if the can even survives such. And what about the cans after empty and reberming. How are they going to survive that. Oh, that would be owner neglect and we would be charged for replacement, Good idea in concept but only in certain areas of BBC, Terrible application of the concept along with the blatant lying from the CSD. The entire process is turning into a really big joke that the locals will be the eventual butt of.

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Airport Razz, Sun Sep 08 2019, 08:59AM

The only good thing about this new device is when CSD realizes that they have just wasted a bunch of taxpayer time and money, they can at least say that they didn't have to scrap a bunch of side claw trucks. These devices will end up in the back of the warehouse never to see the light of day again. Kind of like our generator, the snow plow gates and the weed mogs.

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NShore.Allen, Mon Sep 09 2019, 02:07PM

Yes, I saw the video. The company DTH is a commercial (not government) firm that won the contract because they had the new equipment.

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HazMatMind, Mon Sep 09 2019, 02:12PM

What are 'weed mogs'?

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NShore.Allen, Mon Sep 09 2019, 03:31PM




Stuff from Humbolt?

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Benny ⭐, Mon Sep 09 2019, 09:04PM

Well the main reason they went for the method they did is so they don't have to buy all new trash trucks with the arm, looks like a fairly simply modification to their existing fleet.

My major concern is having the cans out by 6am, usually they come closer to 8am which is fine, but I'm not running out at 5:30am to take the trash out.

I made my own locks on my trash cans, which are nearly identical to the can's they'll be distributing. But they need to come up with a lock so animules don't get into them at night!

Additionally, on my way home today I passed a truck headed for CSD with hundreds and hundreds of the trash cans in the back.... they're here!!!

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Kevin72, Tue Sep 10 2019, 01:28PM

I still want to know how this new program was put in place without a single notification to the public for their input before any decisions were made.
As i stated in my post on here earlier there are many problems with this program, not the least of which is that it involves a huge rate increase.
Now, you may be thinking that they are not raising the rates (YET), but in fact they already have because they are only allowing you to fill this one can each week for pickup with the current fee structure. If you need more trash can space you will have to purchase another bin to the tune of $200+ more each year or find other ways to get your remaining trash to the dump at your own expense.
The current program allows you to put out up to 12 bags of yard trash and 4 trash cans of household trash each week.
The new program will force homeowners to do their annual yard cleanup and either haul it themselves to the dump, provided they have the means to do so, or pay for dumpsters from the CSD or hire someone else to haul in there, all at additional expense in time and money.
How does this huge reduction in what they’ll pick up each week not add up to a large price increase?
If you are a part timer with property up here and have lots of pine needles have fun paying a lot more money for yard waste disposal or coming up every week just to fill the one and only trash can allotted to you....
Whoever voted for this program on the CSD board without open and public input should be fired, plain and simple. They work for us and are supposed to look out for the public interest. ( yeah, i know, since when do public officials do that anymore, if they ever did).......


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Airport Razz, Tue Sep 10 2019, 05:52PM

I understand that parts of Moonridge got their cans delivered today. The madness begins.

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Airport Razz, Tue Sep 10 2019, 05:56PM

Weed mogs were the really neat machines that were out on the lake every day during summer cutting and harvesting all the weeds that grow in the lake. massive amounts these machines would remove. Then the lake district went with some new super chemical that was the one to save all mankind. Well, I think we all know how well that worked out but no one really noticed right away because of the receding lake levels. Once the levels came back up, weeds impacted everything and the couple of little floating weedeaters left behind just can't keep up. All the good equipment was sold off first couple years of the chemical program because we would 'never' need them again.

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HazMatMind, Tue Sep 10 2019, 06:28PM

Ah, thanks for the explanation.

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Benny ⭐, Wed Sep 11 2019, 06:48PM



Moonridge? I thought this was a CSD thing, or was it on the Bear City side of Division/Moonridge?

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CoyotePass, Wed Sep 11 2019, 08:31PM

Parts of Big Bear City received their cans as well . . . out of the back of a U-Haul truck. I can't help but wonder how many trucks they rented and at what expense.

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BusterBrown, Thu Sep 12 2019, 08:17AM

A portion of Moonridge is CSD. Everything white is Big Bear City. See link: [Click Here],

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robk (K6RBK), Thu Sep 12 2019, 01:02PM

Truck & crew just dropped off the new bin here in Whispering Forest (North Shore & Division area).

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Airport Razz, Thu Sep 12 2019, 03:58PM

Just a quick side thought I see some of the cans sitting out on the street. I would put the existing crews throwing 2 regular cans per house vs crew using the new machine and cans. I would bet on the the crew doing the 2 cans moving more quicker. Kind of a Paul Bunyan race and the outcome would be the old way would out do the new. I've seen these guys crank when they need to and there is no way that machine would keep up. Again, how is this 'savings'? And when will the crew be by to put my curb in so I have a place to put my new bin against out in the street???? They showed curbs in the video so they MUST be going to give us curbs also

Seriously though folks, whom ever at CSD that signed off on this and thought is was going to be a beneficial program for the locals (not just the CSD) needs to go back to 1st grade and study spacial relationships. You know, triangle wont fit in the square hole thing . No way that new can is the same as 2 regular cans. Maybe if I was throwing out just liquid each week but trash doesn't always fit nicely together like a Tetras game. Hmm, something the millennials might excel at?? As such, this person needs a 2x4 up the side of the head, then if a paid employee, FIRED, and if an elected official, RECALLED. 2 cans, I might be a little more on board but I am on 'flat' ground so not to bad. My big complaint is the amount that I will have to now take myself to the landfill each week. Like I have time for that crap. If I was still living up on Villa Grove, I would be more livid with the thought of having to place this monster can on a hillside with no curbs or easement.

Each week this valley gets to be more and more like a frikkin clown car.

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stewii, Thu Sep 12 2019, 10:00PM

I think a hard winter will put this joke to the real test if it works


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robk (K6RBK), Fri Sep 13 2019, 08:05AM



Agreed. After comparing the volume of the new bin to my existing cans, this is a reduction in volume by 1/2 or more. Guess I'll keep my old cans to make it easier to take the excess (that won't fit in the new bin) to the transfer station (with all that free time I have).


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Tlingit, Fri Sep 13 2019, 09:11AM

Delivering the new bins in Sugarloaf this morning..

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mountainart, Fri Sep 13 2019, 10:08AM

just got off the phone with CSD, asked them about elderly being unable to move full single bin, and they said that if you are handicapped, you can apply for a smaller can.

Since smaller can is less volume than the previous allotments of 3 cans, I asked then do we get two cans to equal previous volume of trash pickup allowed, and she said, "No, you only get one can" I then asked if we then put the overflow in bags or an old can next to the new small bin to equal the previous allowed volume, and she said "No, that is not allowed, you have to take it to the dump." So I asked how does an elderly person who can't drive, or a handicapped person who cannot load trash into a vehicle and drive to the dump, and unload, will be assisted with the trash amount we are paying for, will be assisted, and she said that there will be no assistance.

I asked then if we get a smaller bin, that fits less than the paid for contractually agreed volume (via taxes) will recieve a commensurate reduction in fees, she said "No, fees stay the same". So I asked if this means trash service will equivalate to an increase in costs to elderly or handicapped homeowner and she said, "No this is not a fee increase" When I then asked her to educate me on how a reduction in amount of trash picked up for no reduction in fees does not mean more costs to homeowner if they have to then pay for an additional small(easier to move bin) to equal the new bins volume, she refused to explain, and repeated " You can use your dump card, and take the excess to the dump". So then, will the new dump cards have provision to take your weekly excess trash every week to the dump? "No, only the previous allotment of times".

They are hiding behind lawyer weasel speak, and seriously need to be called out on this overt discrimination against the elderly and handicspped, big fee lie. I plan to go to the next meeting, Lets get a group together to go, and hopefully call them out on these deliberate obfuscations and camoflauging less "service" for same fees, as well as overt discrimination against people who due to disability cannot stage the larger volume bins, yet still have to pay the same as hale citizens for half the PAID FOR volume for what it is....... If a private company pulled this on their customers, they would be sued for breach of contract, and violation of the Americans with disabilities act. We need to do the same to this new service scheme and call them out on it.

Since they do not call this a reduction in service allotment, yet refuse to reduce rates, then there is a patent bad faith issue here, and public utilities that have done this in the past have lost in court with large punitive fines as well.

I plan on calling the California ADA Offices and let them know that the CSD appears to be engaging in blatant discrimination agaimst those with disabilities, and let you know what they say.

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mountainart, Fri Sep 13 2019, 10:55AM

Update: just got off the phone with ada.gov california offices.

The refusal of CSD to provide contracturally paid for volume of trash via smaller bins that elderly and handicapped can move, without a commensurate reduction of fees for less volume, or by providing extra, smaller ada compliant bins, and telling the elderly and handicapped that they have to take excess trash that does not fit in the smaller bin to the dump themselves clearly discriminates against those who are least able to go take trash themselves, and is a CLEAR violation of the Equal Access Clause of the Americans with disabilities act, as those who are able and fit enough to handle the larger bins will not have to take extra steps to get rid of the contractually agreed volumes.. The fact that they attach county taxes to pay for this puts it into a whole higher illegal and felonious level, as San Bernardino county now is a enjoined party to CSD willful ADA non compliance

(as by the phone conversations,and statements, when they were made aware of this issue, have made no indication or motion to patently rectify non-compliance, and publicly state that handicapped who cannot move 200 pound trash bins, and need the smaller bins will not be allowed same volume of trash as those who can move the larger bins.)

Was recommended to pursue, and they will be looking into this.

Any who wish more info, along with referred firm that handles these type of ADA discrimination cases, PM me and I van give the contact info of the firm that is opening case.

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Polar 🌌rbit, Fri Sep 13 2019, 01:54PM

Nice work mountainart. Instead of complaining, you kicked the solution into gear. Hope it works out for you all. I'm not in that district so I have to cheer from the sidelines.

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KK, Fri Sep 13 2019, 03:05PM

Yes, thank you for the work you have put into this. We also received our “can” today. I called CSD this morning also. I was told I have no choices. Use the dump card for extra waste. Pay $266.23 a year for another can. Or pay $256.52 a month for a dumpster that, we cannot have in our neighborhood. This is BS!
At least DTH, you are given a green waste can for yard clippings. Please let us know when the next meeting is!

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Kevin72, Fri Sep 13 2019, 03:31PM

Hey all,
The next board meeting is at 5:00pm on Monday the 16th. I am going to try to go myself. I live off the hill and will make every attempt to be there.
I have these bins in my neighborhood here dth and it’s fine but there are many differences including the trash department moving the bins for the elderly at request, having 3 large bins for recycling, yard, and household trash and more....
This new program from the CSD is nothing more than a way for them to charge the same amount of money while offering far less than we get now...


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Kevin72, Fri Sep 13 2019, 03:41PM

Also mentioned in the new info is that if a snowstorm happens to prevent trash pickup on your given trash day you will have to wait till the following week before they will come back.
Great, so now we only get one bin instead of the several we have now and, if there is a snow storm we will have to wait until the following week to get it emptied. What?
You mean if it snows on my pickup day on Monday they can’t be bothered to come back on Tuesday or Wednesday when the roads clear up? I have to wait till the following week?
I’ll bet all those union workers get paid weather they pick up the trash or not too. Hmm......

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KK, Fri Sep 13 2019, 03:59PM




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KK, Fri Sep 13 2019, 04:02PM

Thank you for the info. Will it be held at the CSD office?


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Kevin72, Fri Sep 13 2019, 10:44PM

KK, according to the CSD website it is....

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Kevin72, Fri Sep 13 2019, 11:08PM

Just read an article in the Grizzly under Opinions in the Sept 11 edition about the new trash bins....
Whoever wrote the piece obviously hasn’t read any of the legitimate concerns mentioned on this site and felt it necessary to ignore them by stating employees at the Grizzly are “shaking their collective heads at the uproar” over the new bins, continuing that “ it’s unbelievable how people can get so worked up over getting a new trash can”.

Hey Grizzly staff, I sent you a whole list of concerns weeks ago, before most of the public even knew about the new program and you chose to ignore every concern I and others have mentioned. Now you accuse us of living in the past and not wanting change.

I have no problem with change, in fact I welcome it, when it makes sense and benefits the public for which the CSD is supposed to serve.

Let’s see what you think next spring when half the homeowners in the valley realize how much more it’s going to cost for them to do something as simple as remove the pine needles in their yards without the benefit of being able to put out up to 12 bags of yard trimmings at a time...

FYI, I live in Glendale, CA and we have 3 - 96 gallon bins and pay $36 a month. The CSD charges $40 for 1 bin. We also get free bulk pickups, but not from the CSD....

Why the uproar? Do the math!

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Juliann, Sat Sep 14 2019, 11:25AM

[Click Here]

Now I know.... upper Moonridge cans will be delivered 9/20- 9/21

The 2 videos explaining the new trash can system are also on this link.

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Airport Razz, Sat Sep 14 2019, 11:51AM

Thanks Juliann, just made trip through and didn't see any at the upper levels today.

Yes, I am going to the meeting. If anything, just see just how far they are going to push lying to our faces.

Interesting response from the Grizzly but that just another example of how we are getting railroaded into this without any input from us. Not like the Grizzly is 'biased' or anything like that . At least I'm still not aware of where there was any discussion or meetings about them doing this BS.

$22/month for an extra can. Well, how about this. I take care of a lot of cabins in the valley. I don't see why I can't use the can of the client that isn't going to up for 3 months and bring to my house to use for another client who has 'too much' stuff and they can pick up both cans at my house.......That would be an actual 'cost savings' but I would image I would be cited for doing such. And for those DTH owners that don't come up for 2-3 months and don't have a caretaker or caring neighbor, what happens to their can that got dropped off and no one to put away????

Not thinking of the locals and certainly not the elderly, the handicapped, the working stiffs, and the DTH owners that aren't AirBnb or VRBO. Let me just hand the city and state my wallet. I'm certainly not going to be using to hold anything money wise. Along that line of thinking we will begin to see a lot of trashcans all of sudden being full each week and no one ever at those cabins . Hey, it's their rule, one can per cabin........................Good grief, I know it's only trash but dag nab it, get your greasy hands out of my pocket.

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Jellylorum, Sat Sep 14 2019, 04:05PM

Putting trash out in front of vacant houses was common when I lived in Erwin Lake. Instead of putting it in bags, we can just use their empty cans.

Not being allowed to use trash can sheds or trash can corrals could be a problem, though. If the sheds were made floorless, and the can handle faces out, that should make them usable.

I get that they want the wheels and handles facing in, toward the curb, so the curb can help prevent runaway cans, but who has curbs? Handles facing out, in a shed or corral, would work just as well, I believe.

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Airport Razz, Tue Sep 17 2019, 11:32AM

Saw a number of the new trashcans blowing down the streets yesterday . Nothing changed there. So did anyone by chance attend the meeting. I had emergency call unfortunately end of the day, figures.

??

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solargardens, Tue Sep 17 2019, 11:59AM

Just noticed on my can we are responsible if the can is destroyed by fire. i now that is in the case that the can is ruined by ashes etc. BUT it also could be taken that if they are destroyed by a wildfire we would be responsible!!!! UGHHHHH!!!

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solargardens, Tue Sep 17 2019, 12:00PM

Now=know

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solargardens, Tue Sep 17 2019, 12:21PM

Just noticed on my can we are responsible if the can is destroyed by fire. i now that is in the case that the can is ruined by ashes etc. BUT it also could be taken that if they are destroyed by a wildfire we would be responsible!!!! UGHHHHH!!!

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Kevin72, Tue Sep 17 2019, 04:22PM

I went to the meeting. Good turnout. A lot of good points made by residents...
It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
The board said they spent 3 years working on this program, spoke about it in previous meetings, and were confused by the fact that virtually no one has said a word until now.
Living down the hill, I don’t normally make a habit of looking at the minutes etc. from these meetings so I had no idea this was being discussed.
Most boards, weather the CSD, city council etc. know that rate increases or changes to service bring people out of the woodwork. So my suggestion was to spend a few extra bucks and send letters to homeowners about potential new programs like this before the decision is made to get public input, and to also have a basic bulletin board on the CSD homepage with brief bullet points stating what topics will be discussed in the next meeting. That way no one has to sift through the site to try to find out if there is anything being discussed that might be of concern to them.

One topic they agreed to look into was that they originally had decided not to give customers a second bin for yard trash simply because they did not have the money to do so. Public comments were made that they could still allow us to put out our normal yard waste as usual in the meantime so as not to put the burden on the customer to solve a problem they created.
Also, to the Grizzly, instead of putting down people you think are unwilling to accept change or are living in the past in your Sept 11 opinion piece on these new bins maybe you could actually do what newspapers are supposed to do, do your own actual research and give us information that can actually benefit us as a community.
P.S. Grizzly newspaper: ironically a couple of comments the board made were specifically about how easy it would be for animals to open these bin lids and that even from the little bit of wind we had yesterday a large number of the lids were blown open. So much for your cheap shot mocking people about there concern for these cans blowing down the street. Even they had concerns what would happen to them in the wind....
Change can be good but not just for the sake of change. It needs to be well thought out and make sense....

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Jellylorum, Tue Sep 17 2019, 04:42PM

The equipment/receptacle could be considered a lease. Yes, if you lease something, be it car, medical equipment, furniture, you are responsible for the cost of replacing it.


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KK, Tue Sep 17 2019, 06:16PM

Thank You Kevin!


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-WINGNUT-, Tue Sep 17 2019, 07:42PM

Received my massive trash can today. Love it!

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mountainart, Wed Sep 18 2019, 08:36AM

just tried fitting 3 regular old style approved trash cans of kitchen sized trash bags into the new bin. Could not fit two of the bags in, lid wide open. Did a test with liquid,(super heavy, but filled up almost same volume. )
problem is that due to nature of trash irregular bulk, you CANNOT fill the new bin with same amount of real world trash. CSD needs to aclnowledge this.

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mountainart, Wed Sep 18 2019, 08:43AM



It is not considered a lease if you are prohibited from using your own equipment. That is a forced closed market. You are forced to use their equipment. When your electric or water meter breaks, the utilities replace at their own cost. If non negotiable equipment that a utility uses to conduct business breaks due to wear and tear, you really should not be held responsible.

In Pasadena where we lived, we had same style bins, and when they got damaged, for ANY reason( or stolen), the city just brought out new ones at no cost. CSD is one of the very few public trash services that will charge the responsibility to homeowner.

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Polar 🌌rbit, Wed Sep 18 2019, 10:01AM

Yeah, here in Costa Mesa, they replaced one of mine when the lid got swallowed by the truck, no charge. It sounds like CSD is pushing the limits on what a public utility service should be doing. Good luck to those making the legal challenges.

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Airport Razz, Wed Sep 18 2019, 11:27AM

New issue has come to light. I live on a corner. the guys that dropped off the can told me I can no longer have my trash picked up by the garage and driveway where it has been picked up now for the last 20 years. Telling me I have to wheel it around the property to the opposite corner where a parking pad is as they aren't supposed to pick up trash on connector roads. Well, my two neighbors cans were dropped off on that connector road also where they have had their trash picked up for the same time period and its only 20 ft further down the roadway than my driveway. CSD does not want to hear what I have to say if my trash doesn't get picked up tomorrow. There will be HELL on wheels and it wont be a stupid trash cart. Hoping that the guys on the trucks are still of sound mind and thought processes and haven't gotten sucked in by the Stupidity Gremlin that seems to have taken over CSD. 3 years discussion.........what a bunch of horse S#$%

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Deb Doodah, Wed Sep 18 2019, 04:41PM

Well now I wonder where my trash will be picked up from. We have a thru lot in Sugarloaf and our trash has always been on the back street. They delivered the new trash can to the front driveway.

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Jellylorum, Wed Sep 18 2019, 04:58PM

I bet there are several corner properties that have no gate or driveway on the main road, but only on the side street. CSD is planning to require that these people roll their receptacles onto the street and around the corner for pickup?

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Airport Razz, Thu Sep 19 2019, 11:16AM

Pick up went smoothly this morning with exception of recycling truck breaking down out front. Seems trash guy consensus is this sucks but it is what it is and they will adjust. I do hear that the side claw units are still in the plans and first unit should be here in a couple of months. Good time to break it in with the snow and ice. Still not understanding why pushing implementation when not ready for the whole program. Unless this is a truly a real time test?? The device on the front of the dumpster is in no way advantageous as to time, cleanliness, efficiency. Only thing it is good for is the guys don't have to actually lift the cans any longer. I see them at some point just opening the cans and throwing the bags into the dumpster themselves rather than adding time to their route. I'm a family of 2 adults and a bunch of dogs. 1 week filled the blue can full and the new can to the brim, had to adjust some to the lid would fit. No way a family of 4 or more can do this with just one can. I understand we have dump cards but why I'm I being required now to invest a lot more time and money into dealing with trash that is already been paid for in property taxes. So where is our cut with having to deal with this mismanagement?? I guess it is legal for government and utility to rip off the public in this manner when in the private sector someone would be losing a job, a company or something substantial with this what amounts to shoving 5 pounds of dirt into a 3 pound coffee can. Lets see if CSD can pull their butts out of the flames soon.

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KK, Thu Sep 19 2019, 04:05PM

Soooo... this afternoon I see the huge truck with the bins. Two guys standing at my front gate. I go out to see what is going on. (I received my bin last week.) I was asked if I had received my bin. Stupid me I said yes. Then I was politely asked if I could get them the bin #. Gosh darn it, If I would of just said NO I could of had another one for FREE! Oh well, I will sleep better tonight knowing I didn’t lie!
All of our goat waste is traveling DTH with hubby once a week to toss in the work dumpster. CSD really has us over a barrel!😩

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Deb Doodah, Thu Sep 19 2019, 04:46PM



Poor Mike - he is going to have to drive dth with all his windows down on poop delivery day. He will not be a happy camper in the winter!

Can you use goat poop in the garden? If so, maybe I can haul some dth for you and I will use it in my vegetable garden.

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KK, Thu Sep 19 2019, 08:10PM




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Jellylorum, Thu Sep 19 2019, 10:21PM

Compost. Dog, Cat, Pig are NO, but goat, sheep, horse, are all good.

In my neighborhood, we used to fill the holes in the dirt road with horse manure. The dump wouldn't accept it.


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seaside, Thu Sep 19 2019, 10:25PM

One can isn't enough. With my visiting daughter's family, using the can too, we could barely get the lid down. This means there is no extra room when you clean out areas of the house. And adding yard waste is a joke. Or odd shaped items, holiday and birthday packaging. Delivery boxes. I don't own a truck to take things to the dump.

I assume, now that they will be picking up a lot less trash, our bill will be lowered?

Where my father lives, they have three, same size containers. One for hard debris, recyclables, and garbage.

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Airport Razz, Fri Sep 20 2019, 03:03PM

, I bet you still believe in the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy there SeaSide. No bloody way will we ever see a reduction in our property taxes. This one of those Bend Over situations without benefit of Vaseline.

I preferred it when the trash nazi was the lady in the cubicle at the transfer station. I seem to have been promoted to that title here at the Ranch with new trash procedures.

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Deborahavas, Thu Oct 17 2019, 06:21PM

Oct 17 : 06:05pm
By the by. Just received our Property Tax Bill. Don’t mind just make it so we can use the services.

Deborahavas
Oct 17 : 06:04pm
Open letter to BBCSD
Hoping that Big Bear City will enact a new area where those of us who can’t use the new trash bins because of being part-timers and not wanting to leave it out from Sunday to Tuesday for animals to tip can use when we leave to drop off our trash in a safe place. Especially since we are paying for it on our taxes and only use it occasionally Please just a thought. Transfer station put some dumpsters out front for easier drop off or the main office could have some dumpsters for us to use Thanks

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Kevin72, Thu Oct 24 2019, 10:40PM

I got my tax bill last week and was looking over all the added bonds etc. that are tacked onto it and noticed that there was a $266 refuse fee.
Great, so as a part timer, not only do I have to pay $40 a month for something I use half a dozen times a year but I have to pay an additional $266 on top of it, but wait, there’s more. Now, instead of being able to put out up to 4 cans of house hold trash and 12 bags of yard trash I can only put out 1 bin which means I will have to spend even more money to rent a truck or a CSD bin, or hire someone to pick up all my yard needles and pinecones....
I think the big revolt will come in the spring when people start the annual spring cleaning of their yards and homes and realize how absurd this new plan is.
Hopefully they realize it and continue to pick up yard trash separately....

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Shibbergish, Tue Oct 29 2019, 09:34AM

This is probably no longer relevant, but I happened to be looking out the window yesterday when the belching CSD trash-collection machine rolled up. There was a guy standing on the side of the front hopper, as there always has been. He stepped off his perch, reached down into the new, mandated monster receptacle, grabbed the bags inside and pitched them into the hopper, just as he always has. I guess they got tired of the new system slowing everything down and having to work in the dark.

When we have been rate-increased to fund a new fleet of computer-controlled trash collection machines, perhaps efficiency will improve, but have my doubts. Efficiency is the antitheses of properly run government.


Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Hooky Bobber, Tue Oct 29 2019, 11:00AM

Funny they have lost the eyes on the discards, perhaps an inferred heat detector could be installed on the arm to inspect the contents.
Going to miss Motherspaw, he would stop and pick up the elderly peoples trash from the sides of their homes, Small town living style but too personal for the new Improved CSD style
Snip it from
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This Article Brought To by Mountain Reporter- : Formatic Property Management Sugarloaf

At 11:48 AM October 28th a CSD employee called 911 to report Smoke coming from the bed of his trash truck. The truck was located at 417 Sunset Lane in Sugarloaf. The call was cancelled stating the fire was out. Medic engine 283 continued response and arrived on scene to find the trash truck still smoldering. Fire Fighter Bidwell climbed up on the back of the truck and immediately started putting water on it with the help of Captain Jayne. The fire was knocked down in less then 5 Minutes. CSD supervisor arrived on scene and advised the driver to drive to dump station to dump load. The fire department offered to follow truck to make sure there wasnt any active fire. Big Bear Fire department would like to remind visitors and residents hot ashes are not to be thrown in dumpsters. Ashs can remain hot for several days and mixed with trash can cause a devastating outcome.


Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
KK, Tue Oct 29 2019, 12:43PM

Well, let me tell ya something, it is absolute hell for me! We have two efficient wood burning fireplaces. They are used from early in the morning until we go to bed at night. There is a lot of ash and coal left over. After a week we have 6, five gallon metal cans that need to be dumped. Each can gets watered down then dumped into another can with a bag liner. You should see me lugging these soaked and very heavy ashes to the trash bin and hucking them into it. The darn thing is almost as tall as me, probably going to need shoulder surgery in a couple months from it! They take up most of the space in the bin where our “trash” is supposed to go!
I get that they no longer want to pick up all the bags of goat poo but this is ridiculous!
I just don’t get why they will not pick up SOAKED ash cans. It would be so much safer! (and easier for me)😁
Then again, I guess it is not about me. Must be about CSD!


Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
KK, Mon Nov 04 2019, 03:50PM

DUMPSTER FIRE
39700 BLOCK OF BIG BEAR BLVD, BIG BEAR LAKE
397XX BIG BEAR BLVD - PUBLIC DUMP - CROSS STREETS: DELAMAR DR/IRIS DR
03:41PM DUMPSTER FIRE BIG BEAR LAKE - MT281 ON SCENE - SMOLDERING ASH CAN - CAN HANDLE - CANCEL THE BALANCE OF THE RESPONSE.
UNITS RESPONDING: ME282 CALCOM FEDCOM (BIG BEAR FIRE AUTHORITY )
ADDITIONAL AGENCIES: US FOREST SERVICE CALFIRE
NOTES:
ME282 CALCOM FEDCOM RESPONDING TO A DUMPSTER FIRE IN BIG BEAR LAKE
DISPOSITION:
03:41PM DUMPSTER FIRE BIG BEAR LAKE - MT281 ON SCENE - SMOLDERING ASH CAN - CAN HANDLE - CANCEL THE BALANCE OF THE RESPONSE.

INCIDENT UPDATES:

MON NOV 4 3:41 PM
DUMPSTER FIRE BIG BEAR LAKE - MT281 ON SCENE - SMOLDERING A


Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Polar 🌌rbit, Mon Nov 04 2019, 07:11PM

So at the clean BB site (west) which has specific bins for ashes, the cleaning people ( it's on a Monday, that's when they work ) can't follow the rules. Not quite related to the BBC trash transition, but it just shows you human nature.

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
KK, Tue Nov 05 2019, 12:40PM

Ty Polar Orbit. I did see that it is BB west. Just wanting to put a nail in the coffin. Or maybe beating a dead horse.


Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Airport Razz, Tue Nov 05 2019, 04:57PM

Had to stop by Big Bear Disposal today so asked the girls if there was any plans for BBD to go the route of the big brown trash cans. All three of them busted a gut laughing so hard. Said that they were a little smarter than that even at corporate level . They had to kick a big bear city resident out of the clean bear site yesterday. Showed up with his brand new big brown trash can to dump it because CSD didn't take it this time for some reason and then tried to convince site personnel that he was from Big Bear Lake

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Airport Razz, Sun Nov 10 2019, 07:14AM

Thanks CSD. Seeing more and more of this. This pile right around corner from cabin fire yesterday. Such a disservice CSD is doing to our town. So sad



Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
wisteria1, Sun Nov 10 2019, 05:47PM

Reading through what y'all are going through is mind-boggling and my heart goes out to you ("trash" shouldn't be a life stressor of this degree).

And everyone on the westerly end of the mountain who has Burrtec and complains so bitterly about them needs to read this thread and show some gratitude that we get five times the service for a little over half the price.

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
rdoctor, Mon Nov 11 2019, 06:59AM

What am I supposed to do with all the bags of pine needles I gather? I fill up at least fifty (50), 55 gallons yard bags per year. Buy a truck and trailer to haul them to the dump? BBCSD provides no yard waste bins like other communities do. Who are the geniuses at BBCSD who thought out the ramifications of their authoritarian decision. I say vote each one of them out of their tyrannical authority next election cycle. I'm also tired of the Grizzly telling me to get used to this change.

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
mountainart, Mon Nov 11 2019, 09:00AM

Perhaps editor of the grizzly is chums with the person at CSD who made this decision, so feels forced to take an incorrect stance to not lose a close friend, because there is ZERO rational explanation available for being able to defend a drastic reduction in service(with already visible negative effect), WITHOUT commensirate tax reduction.

When we lived in Bigfork Montana, there was no door trash service, we had to bring everything to county trash pickup area where they had different bins for differemt items.

This was due to winter conditions making it impossible for trash trucks to get around.

Big Bear is different, but I don't understand how through accepted trash service norms that CSD had for the last decades that included ash and pine needle/yard debris to be suddenly cut off, and they have the blatant nerve to literally cut trash service in half, and tell us that there has been no reduction in service, so suck it. Yet now drive through any neighborhood and you see lots of houses with bags of yard and green waste that is being ignored, which used to be covered by our taxes, and that we cannot refuse to pay.

I think ssomeone should post the names of the people who made this decision so they can be held accountable. In the old colonial days, these were exactly the people who used to be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

People in power hiding behind govt protections continuing to do things patently wrong are people I do not like.

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
KK, Mon Nov 11 2019, 11:21AM

We are fortunate enough to have a good friend that has allowed us to use his dump truck. We had 13 acres to clear!
Let me tell you what happened to us. We used to board horses on our back 10 acres. We payed to have trash pick up on those acres. Yes it went on our tax bill. When I called CSD to request another trash bin, they said no you can’t have one! Hubby went to CSD with our tax bill and basically said WTF we are paying for it! The lady said Oh I guess you are! Karma it will eventually get them!

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
rdoctor, Sat Nov 16 2019, 11:22AM

A lot of good points made here on this forum about the ongoing issues caused by the reduction of trash services by BBCSD. Yes, I definitely would like the names of the district representatives responsible for this. After thinking about how BBCSD no longer picks up bags of pine needles, I will need to purchase a pickup truck and trailer to take my yard refuse to the transfer station. Because I'm already being forced to go there, why not take my regular trash on the same trip? This leads me to think of a great idea: How about putting a County Measure on the local ballot to eliminate the mandatory trash charge on our property taxes and make BBCSD trash pickup an optional service? I think we can get lots and lots of support for this!

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
NShore.Allen, Sat Nov 16 2019, 10:10PM

Here are the representatives for Big Bear City CSD

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Agenda for the 11/18/19 meeting

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Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
BurroBurrow, Wed Nov 20 2019, 08:46AM

Someone mentioned this in chatbox and I agree 100%. The blue recycling can should be bigger and have wheels. We were already recycling a lot but now with the ONE house/yard trash can (Boo!) we try even harder to recycle what we can. And that blue can gets pretty heavy to drag out. Just this week I was wishing it had wheels! We rinse and dry everything recyclable we can and if it's gross we wash after we've done dishes, with the leftover soapy water. Not that hard and it sure makes more room in the other can. I can't even imagine how many bottles, cans, boxes and so on we will have after the Thanksgiving holiday. If they want us to recycle then they need to make it easier. Also a more comprehensive list of what can and can't be recycled should be a no brainer. I even called and asked about a few items in question and the woman who worked there didn't know.

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Airport Razz, Wed Nov 20 2019, 11:55AM

Recyclable list per San Bernardino County
recyclable_pdf_list.pdf

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Juliann, Wed Nov 20 2019, 05:01PM



Thanks for that list, Airport Razz,

Can anyone tell me... Why are soiled napkins and paper plates not recyclable? Sure news to me!


Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Airport Razz, Wed Nov 20 2019, 05:22PM

Food containers are supposed to be fairly clean so tin cans and milk bottles should be rinsed out before being placed in blue can. It is figured that you can't really rinse off a used napkin or paper plate and the food debris would cause problems at the recycling plants.

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Airport Razz, Wed Nov 20 2019, 05:37PM

OK, just manhandled my Big Brown Can out to the street while out in the wet and wind and I can tell you it would have been so much easier and simpler to deal with a couple of regular cans. This was the first week where the weight factor was close to capacity, probably #150-170. Well, here is my summation:

CSD, YOU AND YOUR STUPID BIG BROWN CANS CAN KISS MY A**.

This is so stupid. Can't wait to do this in 10 yrs after getting even older and feebler. Our Public Representatives are like watching a 3 Stooges movie or 'Dumb and Dumber'.

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Socalman, Sun Dec 01 2019, 08:17AM

I wonder how it works now with getting the cans to the street with all the snow? Reports, anyone?

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
BaughHumbug, Sun Dec 01 2019, 05:54PM

We put our black 96-gallon "monster" bin and blue recycle bin right outside our cleared but chained-off driveway, berm removed. CSD came by Saturday morning with their smaller pick-up truck trash trucks and emptied both. No issue, at least for us.

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
KK, Tue Dec 03 2019, 11:46AM

Our trash was not picked up last week. I will not bore everyone with the details when I called CSD. Come to find out the Fing handles were faced the wrong way! What a joke! Now they have two 300lb. Containers to pick up! Going there with my chocolate cream goat poo pie! I was just trying to do a good deed. It would be much easier for them to PULL the containers to the darn hook but NO! Fine! Goat Poo
Pie for you! No more beer and water for you at Christmas! 🤬

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Airport Razz, Thu Dec 05 2019, 07:16AM

SoCalMan, I am looking for a 4x4 option for my Big Brown Turd. Thanks to the snow,ice, slush, and the mud left over from Feb floods that county said were to broke to come clean up, it was a complete [censored] getting that thing out to the street. Couldn't imagine the horror if I was on a slope like up in MR. what a joke.

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
KK, Tue Sep 15 2020, 02:23PM

I actually hate revising this thread BUUTT! Been cleaning up needles a little bit at a time. Just so they can go in with our other trash. Yesterday was windy and it was actually rainy pine needles. Due to the fires we are trying to keep up on them. No more room in the trash can. I am going to contact CSD. I would like to think they would want to help us ALL out but I am pretty sure it will all fall on deaf ears.
We actually bought another can just for the extra stuff. Most of our yard waste is tossed into the truck and hauled to the dump. Just hoping that durning defensible space mode they will help us out! 😃

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Airport Razz, Tue Sep 15 2020, 03:28PM

Very good point KK and an excellent time to make our point. We need a way to maintain the needles and yard waste, even if its another Big Brown Turd but will probably be green so liven up the neighborhood.

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
BurroBurrow, Wed Sep 16 2020, 07:08AM

I think this is a very good time to talk about this. We're in BBC. One big trash can and a normal size recyclables can. Not nearly enough. We've been trying to limb up trees and rake up needles and such, especially with this fire always in the background. Trash day came this week and the can was stuffed. By the end of that same day the can was already half full again. The only thing that helps is recycling every little bit that I can. And that can tends to be full some weeks too. Only good thing is that if i cut down and flatten boxes and put all into one box the guys will take that too even though it's not in a can.




Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
KK, Wed Sep 16 2020, 04:11PM

The recycle guys are great! That is what we do, leave the extra stuff to the side. I was presently surprised that our over stuffed trash cans were picked up! They need to put a plan in place for all the yard waste.

Re: Trash, put your stuff here!
Deb Doodah, Wed Sep 16 2020, 04:24PM

I had to pay someone to haul away all our yard waste. It would have taken years if we could only use the one trash can we were allotted.